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richlevy 06-13-2004 08:51 AM

Zeppelins are Back
 
A company in Japan bought the first new Zeppelin rolled out by the original company. It uses helium for lift.

Revived Zeppelin Delivered to First User

I was looking at another German company that was developing lighter than air ships a few years back, but I don't believe they were rigid frame.

http://www.zeppelin-nt.com/images/zeppgross.jpg

Zeppelins are not new to Japan. Here is some history on LTA Japan.

What interests me is the difference in fuel consumption. Technically, the new Zeppelin is slightly heavier than air and depends on its engine for lift. What is the difference in fuel to take 12 passengers 500 miles instead of in a small jet?

xoxoxoBruce 06-13-2004 09:17 AM

From the link
Quote:

At the end of World War One Japan was awarded the German Navy's L37 (LZ75) which was a "Super Zeppelin" of the L30 or "R" class and the first ship assembled at the Zeppelin Company's satellite facility located at Berlin-Staaken.
Awarded? Reparations? Japan?:confused:

Undertoad 06-13-2004 09:24 AM

What's the difference between a zeppelin and a blimp?

Undertoad 06-13-2004 09:28 AM

http://cellar.org/2004/ledzep.jpg

xoxoxoBruce 06-13-2004 09:35 AM

:)

richlevy 06-13-2004 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Undertoad
What's the difference between a zeppelin and a blimp?
I believe that Zeppelins have a rigid frame where blimps are just inflated balloons.

Torrere 06-13-2004 08:26 PM

Zeppelin was the name of the German company which produced them, and of the Count who founded the company. Blimp is an American name, and refers to non-rigid airships. Dirigible (meaning steerable balloon) is the French word.

It's cool that they've sold one. However, what they've sold is a passenger/tourist novelty ship. It won't get really exciting until they start selling Zeppelins for industrial or technical use.

Troubleshooter 06-14-2004 07:49 AM

National Helium Reserves
 
I can't find the old articles that I used to have on this but there used to be a National Helium Reserve for the dirigible fleet during WWII that was still maintained in that capacity until 1975.

If I can find it I'll post it.

xoxoxoBruce 06-14-2004 02:36 PM

That's right, when I worked for Tufts Unv., we flew research balloons from Alamogordo, NM. The only place we could get a large quantity of helium was from the feds. $1 for 1 pound lift. :)
BTW, it was for the Blimp fleet.

Pi 06-14-2004 03:25 PM

Blimps are used in the Belgian Army for parachute training... Jumped 4 times out of one. http://www.rma.ac.be/RMAdotNet/binar...px?T=P&ID=2274

jaguar 06-14-2004 03:45 PM

is that because it's easier than a plane?

richlevy 06-14-2004 07:09 PM

A while back I was reading up on Helium and how, unlike hydrogen, it is a finite resource. I actually asked my broker about it. Also, the goverment is selling off its reserves.

xoxoxoBruce 06-14-2004 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pi
Blimps are used in the Belgian Army for parachute training... Jumped 4 times out of one. http://www.rma.ac.be/RMAdotNet/binar...px?T=P&ID=2274
I should think a tethered blimp would be perfect for that. straight up over the target, holds position while they pry your fingers off the ropes and throw you out, then right back down for another load.:)

Pi 06-15-2004 02:31 AM

Bruce you're so right...
And maybe it's not easier to jump out of a blimp. In a C-130, if you're not the first to jump, you don't see what's happening and those behind you are pushing. You don't have the time to think because otherwise you will miss the DZ. In a blimp you're static, you are standing in the door, looking 400ft down. And you have time... No good! So you have to do the first step and yiiihaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


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