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lookout123 07-14-2004 12:22 PM

Why Kerry?
 
i know most of the folks that frequent here have an "anybody but bush" approach to the upcoming election, but i'm really trying to figure out those who support kerry/edwards.

1) for anyone on here who genuinely supports the dem ticket - why? what attributes do kerry/edwards have that make you believe they are the way to go?

2) looking around at the other available choices, why did kerry get the nod over the other options? i understand that hilary is waiting til '08, but wasn't there someone else that would have been able to draw large scale support?

jaguar 07-14-2004 12:25 PM

From what I remember none of them stood out in the slightest and Dean was far too left to ever succeed.

slang 07-14-2004 12:27 PM

(slang zips up his flame resistant suit and steps away from Lookout)

lookout123 07-14-2004 12:29 PM

well, if people want to flame me, that's ok - i'm a big boy. but these are sincere questions, not a pro-bush commercial. i'm just curious to see what positive things people find in kerry, other than the obvious - he's not bush.

jaguar 07-14-2004 12:38 PM

Well I can honeslty say as someone that's followed this probably closer than most americans there is so little I know about kerry's policies it's not funny. Beyond some silly rubbish about protecting jobs from outsourcing. I looked up some of his economic policies at some point, his taxation policy seemed fairly good.

slang 07-14-2004 12:51 PM

All kidding aside, the only thing he has going for him is that he isn't Bush.

You see people all over the news telling his story and promoting his "policies" because he is a boring liberal and connot generally keep people awake long enough to promote himself. As much as I dislike Clinton politically, he can speak well and knows how to generate enthusiasm.

Kerry's best attirbutes are that he is elligible to be president, has huge financial backing, and he isn't Bush.

vsp 07-14-2004 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123
1) for anyone on here who genuinely supports the dem ticket - why? what attributes do kerry/edwards have that make you believe they are the way to go?

Their names are not "George W. Bush" and "Dick Cheney."

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2) looking around at the other available choices, why did kerry get the nod over the other options? i understand that hilary is waiting til '08, but wasn't there someone else that would have been able to draw large scale support?
Hillary is not running. Hillary will not be running. Hillary is fine where she is. And why would Hillary mount a primary challenge against President Kerry in 2008?

Dean had strong grassroots support (mainly because it was nice to see a Democrat say something FORCEFULLY for a change), but his machine wasn't as organized as Kerry's in the early primaries, and the ridiculously overblown coverage of the "YEAAAAAAH!" made him look silly at a critical time. Gephardt's like Pat Paulsen on lithium; he always runs, but no one knows why. Clark was basically mini-Dean; blog-level support that faded when the bigger wallets came out to play. Lieberman was a laughingstock with no chance from day one. The others basically ran because they could, and to try and get miniscule coverage for their favorite issues.

Dean was hardly "far left" if you look at his track record, though I'll grant that being vocally anti-war at a time when his primary opponents were eagerly handing war authority over to Dubya made him look like a flaming liberal.

SteveDallas 07-14-2004 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by slang
has huge financial backing

Well that's the most important criterion to be a presidential candidate these days.

slang 07-14-2004 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveDallas
Well that's the most important criterion to be a presidential candidate these days.


I thought Campaign Finance Reform "fixed" that?

Take the money out of politics.....that is what was said anyway.

Bring back the power to the people.


LMAO at the very though that people actually believed that nonsense.

marichiko 07-14-2004 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by slang
I thought Campaign Finance Reform "fixed" that?

Take the money out of politics.....that is what was said anyway.

Bring back the power to the people.


LMAO at the very though that people actually believed that nonsense.

You wild eyed dreamer, you! You don't really believe that, do you? The one way to achieve financial reform and give the power back to the people is to ban all TV advertizing in political elections. Candidates wouldn't be forced to shell out the big bucks for media blitzes, and the candidates would have to convey their message in a more thoughtful manner than the 30 second sound bite.

And, sorry, I like Kerry because he doesn't appear to be as insane as Bush. Its a lousey choice, but its the only one we've got. :yelsick:

lookout123 07-14-2004 01:27 PM

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And, sorry, I like Kerry because he doesn't appear to be as insane as Bush. Its a lousey choice, but its the only one we've got.
ok, mari - well at least that is a reason. thank you. but does he stand for anything that you find favorable?

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Their names are not "George W. Bush" and "Dick Cheney."
ok, like i said - any reason other than ABB ?

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Hillary is not running. Hillary will not be running. Hillary is fine where she is. And why would Hillary mount a primary challenge against President Kerry in 2008?
i think the reason hilary isn't running this time is that while the dems were gearing up the primaries, bush still had highly favorable numbers. you don't risk a bright star like hilary if there is a strong chance of losing. assuming for a moment that kerry loses, in '08 who does the gop really have to offer up? i've even wondered if the clinton supporters really even want kerry to win?

wolf 07-14-2004 01:28 PM

"Why Kerry" is a good question indeed ...

Happy Monkey 07-14-2004 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by vsp
Hillary is not running. Hillary will not be running. Hillary is fine where she is. And why would Hillary mount a primary challenge against President Kerry in 2008?

It's always amusing to see right-wing media types scare their base with Hillary Clinton. They invested so much in vilifying the Clinton name that they don't want to face an election without a Clinton operating behind the scenes at least.

wolf 07-14-2004 01:32 PM

Now of course I'm relying on primarily "right" news sources, but isn't he taking credit for the choice of Edwards?

Happy Monkey 07-14-2004 01:35 PM

Who? Kerry?


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