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Keyes - Obama Debate

Was any of this debate televised on C-Span? I live in PA but I would have loved to see it. The only detailed coverage I have found so far is this -
The Keyes vs Obama prize fight

Statments like this make me suspect bias.

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Keyes was the man with the superior mind. On every issue he found an original and intelligent way of inspecting it. He started by identifying the core problem which underlies a complex issue. He explained how the issue was misperceived by his opponents. He explained how his governmental experience uniquely equipped him to understand the situation. And he showed the way towards the solution. Amazingly, he was ably to do all this very quickly. He performed this feat for almost every issue.

Facing Keyes in debate is like facing Ali in the ring. Alan Dershowitz, a celebrity lawyer, and master mauler of the debate circuit made the mistake of his life when he agreed to debate Keyes on television. As Ali destroyed the immensely powerful George Foreman, Keyes destroyed the formidable Alan Dershowitz.

Obama was noticeably unoriginal in his approach. Most of his lines were familiar. He borrowed from the Kerry campaign, from liberal pundits, and from local pols. However, the ordinary listeners knew what he was saying because they have heard it before. Many of Keyes original ideas may have been new to many listeners. Those of limited education may not have known what he was talking about.

Of course, if you read the author's bio, you can suspect a slant.

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Fred Hutchison, a Christian layman, has had a variety of opportunities to teach, ranging from pulpit invitations to being a banquet speaker. He has written hundreds of essays about religion, politics, history, philosophy, and science, and is the author and director of short dramas and comedies.

He has an MBA and a CPA and is retired. During his career, he was a technical specialist in governmental accounting and auditing, and he wrote technical literature, did research, taught classes, prepared training seminars, and performed quality review work.

Fred is motivated by the pursuit of truth, and is fascinated by how we can abstract information from many fields to assemble a framework of ideas with which to understand the world. However, he believes that scriptural truth is the essential foundation for wisdom and knowledge and an indispensable antidote to self-deception. His book The Stages of Sanctification is the product of twenty years of intermittent study and meditation on the subject.

Fred is working on another book, which will be titled, The Rise and Fall of Western Culture. Later chapters in the book will examine the roots of Postmodernism and our present culture war. Fred was the first "Christian intellectual" selected by the Talbot Department of Philosophy, of the Talbot School of Theology, for a special program. Talbot seeks to network with Christian intellectuals for cooperation in fighting the culture war and to build up the intellectual discipline of Evangelicals.

Can someone please point me to a middle-of-the-road, largely unbiased, not liberal and not conservative unspun critique of the debate? To quote Goldilocks, "This porridge is too cold".

http://www.renewamerica.us/

Keye's renewamerica.us website has a link to an .mp3 of the debate as well as C-SPAN listings

I haven't seen the debate, but here's my critique (hot porridge):

Keyes is a nut, Obama is an impressive statesman.

I suspect Mr. Hutchison could have written his review just as well if he also hadn't seen it.

I enjoyed this quote
From the Chicago Tribune: "Christ is over here, Sen. Obama is over there: the two don't look the same," Keyes said, spreading his arms far apart. A clearly perturbed Obama said he didn't appreciate being lectured about Christianity by Keyes. 'That's why I have a pastor,' he said. 'That's why I have a Bible. That's why I have my own prayer. And I don't think any of you are particularly interested in having Mr. Keyes lecture you about your faith. What you're interested in is solving problems like jobs and health care and education. I'm not running to be the minister of Illinois. I'm running to be its United States senator.'"

I think my critique is working out.

Obama is featured in Black Enterprise magazine this month...I should pick it up the next time I'm over at the grocery store. What a fucking pimp!

from http://www.somethingawful.com (copy/paste it, I don't feel like going advanced)

"I love my daughter in concept, but the fire of hell will consume her soul in the afterlife and she will deserve it for her transgressions against the Lord." - Keyes addressing a Kindergarten class in Peoria about his homosexual daughter.

"I am sure most of you have seen photos of the mass graves at Sobibor, Treblinka, and Dachau. Miniature versions of these same scenes are repeated on a weekly basis in the alleys behind abortion clinics. And by miniature I mean that there are as many dead humans but they are very small, like hobby scale Jews, only not Jews. Sometimes Jews." - Keyes at a luncheon for the Jewish Voting League in Chicago.

"God weeps for every child slain in an abortion clinic and so do the Jedi. They feel the disturbance. They hear the voices crying out and then being silenced." - Keyes speaking at a Star Wars convention at the University of Illinois.

"When people ask me about my view of evolution I show them this. Could random evolution have produced this? Could mere chance and circumstance have created such a wondrous and complex thing?" - Keyes speaking to a science symposium while holding up a Sony Mini-Disc player.

"My opponent claims to be black, of color, claims that he can understand the plight of the African American voter in Illinois. Ladies and gentlemen, I may not speak to any issues that concern you, but just look at him. I am like five times darker skinned than him. I win the blackness in this race. He barely looks Puerto Rican!" - Keyes speaking to random passerby outside a South Side Chicago McDonalds.

"San Dimas football rules!" - Shouted at the end of a particularly poorly received speech at Van Wilder High School, rivals of San Dimas.

"I want to crack them open and eat their brain. I want their brain right away. I want to be able to taste what they are thinking as their still-firing neurons slide down my throat." - Keyes on the freshness of puppies euthanized by a local animal shelter.

Fast Facts on Alan Keyes

Keyes attended a rally of the Ku Klux Klan in July of 2004 and actually set fire to an honorary cross. Although Keyes remained hooded throughout the rally he spoke at length on the subject of sending African Americans back to Africa. His personal assistant scheduled the event as a means of "reaching out to his base".

While visiting a hospital in Chicago, Keyes poured consecrated holy water on a patient in the terminal stages of AIDS and claimed that the man was a vampire. Orderlies physically restrained Keyes to prevent him from stabbing the man in the heart with a wooden stake.

When questioned by a Chicago Tribune reporter about the lingering debt Keyes has from his 2000 presidential bid Keyes began biting the woman's face. It took two members of Keyes' own staff using a combination of bullwhips and cattle prods to drive him away from the woman.

Keyes fell off of a platform and sprained his ankle while attempting to demonstrate to an audience in Springfield that God could imbue him with the power of levitation.

Keyes was arrested in August for "lewd conduct" in a movie theater on Chicago's West side called El Agujero Mojado. According to unnamed sources within the police department Keyes was caught being fellated by a transvestite prostitute who goes by the street name of "Hutch".

Keyes ran down a crippled orphan in a wheelchair with a bulldozer. He explained the incident as "part of [God's] plan".

Something Awful: You report, we decide

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Keyes ran down a crippled orphan in a wheelchair with a bulldozer. He explained the incident as "part of [God's] plan".

I'd vote for him. :)

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

.......Keyes is a nut.......

No, I dont think so. He's got a real chance at winning.

Ok, so this personality has been kicking around unused and I couldnt think of anything more idiotic to say.

So sue me!