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Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla
Rkzen, did killing and bombing Nazi Germany (they were famous for killing and bombing) turn us into Nazi America? No. It didn't because we Americans are of the human-liberty and democratic-governance mindset, both then and now. That other societies lack this mindset and these expectations of their governance is the reason they come up with the crazy shit they do.
A man who wants to be moral has to understand countervailing violence, and the just-war concept of resisting/neutralizing oppression and attempts at oppression. The above extremists have set forth in so many words a program for oppression. They may be trying to sell it by making the oppression slight, but oppression has a way of growing over the years and the generations.
Far better simply to string the oppressors up as an example. You can't oppress anybody with a rope around your neck.
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Nope... though had we killed those in our concentration camps we would have been, had we continued to turn the Jews away like we did from Key West we would have been, had we tortured the Nazis and treated them in defiance of the Geneva convention we would have been, had we held them indefinitely we would have been, had we declared war on our own people like now we would have been.
Dubya used 9/11, perhaps let it happen, perhaps held the door, so he could have his own little Reichstag fire and has raped the Constitution and Bill of Rights while using fear to suppress what should have been our natural reaction to having our rights stripped. Rights being stripped that need not have been because the job could be done with existing laws EXACTLY as they would be for all foreign agents. We are well on our way... we have invaded a nation that was NO threat and fully admitted it... right now we occupy that nation with no explanation by the current administration as to why. By international law the current resistance force that is killing our soldiers is perfectly within their rights and is doing EXACTLY what you and I would be doing if someone invaded and occupied our nation. But, they are not who is murdering those soldiers... not really, those keeping them there are doing it every day. While killing every soldier that dies in Afghanistan, every day, for being understaffed, under supplied and under supported because of Dubya and Co's little game of revenge and the Kissinger pipeline.
It is pretty simple. Yes, if we adopt the form and tactics of the Nazis, we
ARE Nazis.