Immigrants "stealing our jobs"

Flint · 02-26-2008, 01:30 PM

You can't take a job that isn't being offered to you. A job isn't something you can take by force, like grabbing a TV after you smash in the shop window. How curious, to discuss this as if an invading force is battling to gain our territory. Whereas in fact, we've rolled out the red carpet for them.

TheMercenary · 02-26-2008, 01:33 PM

TheMercenary · 02-26-2008, 01:35 PM

Slow, steady, quiet, over time, combined with the collapse of other major employers and industry, you never know what you lost til its gone.

Flint · 02-26-2008, 01:37 PM

Yes, but it isn't "taken" (by them) it's "given" (by us). You can't take a job.

TheMercenary · 02-26-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Yes, but it isn't "taken" (by them) it's "given" (by us). You can't take a job.

No it is given by them to them by those who want to avoid the costs associated with hiring legal workers.

Flint · 02-26-2008, 01:41 PM

Right. It isn't an "invasion" of immigrants "stealing" our jobs.

TheMercenary · 02-26-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

Right. It isn't an "invasion" of immigrants "stealing" our jobs.

Right. They have already invaded or are still trickling in, daily, by the hundreds, and they can't steal something being offered. That is why the Federal government has inacted laws to punish, harshly, companies that fail to check documentation.

lookout123 · 02-26-2008, 01:46 PM

If I leave a package of cookies on my counter and I come home to find a trail of ants consuming it, what should I do?

A) Think: "Oh golly, look what I've done. I've given sustenance to these poor creatures who have less than me. I should just let them stay. I'm sure they add more than they detract from my home."

B) Remove the incentive for their entrance (the cookies) and rid my house of the invaders.

C) Be indecisive because neither choice is perfect so therefore I do nothing.

TheMercenary · 02-26-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by lookout123

C) Be indecisive because neither choice is perfect so therefore I do nothing.

Well we have tried that approach for the last umpteen years and look(out) where that got us.

Flint · 02-26-2008, 01:50 PM

You don't blame the ants, you blame whoever left the cookies out.

TheMercenary · 02-26-2008, 01:51 PM

No, you kill the ants with ant killer and destroy the queen. Then you go buy some more cookies.

Flint · 02-26-2008, 01:54 PM

Leaving open food packages out on your counter, and then having to soak the counter down in ant poison every day, isn't exactly the ideal solution, though, is it? Put the goddamn cookies away and the ants will not have a reason to come into your kitchen anymore.

lookout123 · 02-26-2008, 01:55 PM

Blaming is for soundbytes. Solutions require that we move past that and figure out what to do.

Removing the incentive: tossing out the cookies, or brutal penalties for an employer knowingly employing illegals.

Removing the invader: kill or otherwise dispose of the ants, or remove illegals through attrition.

Prevention: Remember not to leave the damn cookies out anymore and plug that hole they came in through, or revise immigration policy to make legal immigration easier and more attractive than illegal immigration.

It really isn't that hard if people would stop the rhetoric of "you're a racist" and "illegals are from the devil". The politicians profit by keeping us in our current state of disfunction.

TheMercenary · 02-26-2008, 01:58 PM

No solution can begin until we shut the borders tight. Then we can begin to deal with the issue, what ever way we go.

lookout123 · 02-26-2008, 02:16 PM

shutting the borders tight is the beginning of the process of attrition. illegals go home to visit all the time, closing the borders will make it much harder to get back. It will make it more difficult for new illegals to get in.

Enforcing harsh penalties on employers who knowingly employ illegals will remove the incentive to cross the border. (arizona now revokes business licenses for anyone caught employing illegals)

Fixing the immigration system will allow for more legal immigrants to gain entrance into our system. They can have the jobs and we can know who they are.

02-26-2008, 01:30 PM	#1
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Immigrants "stealing our jobs" You can't take a job that isn't being offered to you. A job isn't something you can take by force, like grabbing a TV after you smash in the shop window. How curious, to discuss this as if an invading force is battling to gain our territory. Whereas in fact, we've rolled out the red carpet for them. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-26-2008, 01:33 PM	#2
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	__________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-26-2008, 01:35 PM	#3
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Slow, steady, quiet, over time, combined with the collapse of other major employers and industry, you never know what you lost til its gone. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-26-2008, 01:37 PM	#4
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Yes, but it isn't "taken" (by them) it's "given" (by us). You can't take a job. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-26-2008, 01:41 PM	#6
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Right. It isn't an "invasion" of immigrants "stealing" our jobs. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-26-2008, 01:46 PM	#8
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	If I leave a package of cookies on my counter and I come home to find a trail of ants consuming it, what should I do? A) Think: "Oh golly, look what I've done. I've given sustenance to these poor creatures who have less than me. I should just let them stay. I'm sure they add more than they detract from my home." B) Remove the incentive for their entrance (the cookies) and rid my house of the invaders. C) Be indecisive because neither choice is perfect so therefore I do nothing. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin Last edited by lookout123; 02-26-2008 at 03:03 PM.

02-26-2008, 01:50 PM	#10
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	You don't blame the ants, you blame whoever left the cookies out. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-26-2008, 01:51 PM	#11
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	No, you kill the ants with ant killer and destroy the queen. Then you go buy some more cookies. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-26-2008, 01:54 PM	#12
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Leaving open food packages out on your counter, and then having to soak the counter down in ant poison every day, isn't exactly the ideal solution, though, is it? Put the goddamn cookies away and the ants will not have a reason to come into your kitchen anymore. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-26-2008, 01:55 PM	#13
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	Blaming is for soundbytes. Solutions require that we move past that and figure out what to do. Removing the incentive: tossing out the cookies, or brutal penalties for an employer knowingly employing illegals. Removing the invader: kill or otherwise dispose of the ants, or remove illegals through attrition. Prevention: Remember not to leave the damn cookies out anymore and plug that hole they came in through, or revise immigration policy to make legal immigration easier and more attractive than illegal immigration. It really isn't that hard if people would stop the rhetoric of "you're a racist" and "illegals are from the devil". The politicians profit by keeping us in our current state of disfunction. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin Last edited by lookout123; 02-26-2008 at 03:04 PM.

02-26-2008, 01:58 PM	#14
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	No solution can begin until we shut the borders tight. Then we can begin to deal with the issue, what ever way we go. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

02-26-2008, 02:16 PM	#15
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	shutting the borders tight is the beginning of the process of attrition. illegals go home to visit all the time, closing the borders will make it much harder to get back. It will make it more difficult for new illegals to get in. Enforcing harsh penalties on employers who knowingly employ illegals will remove the incentive to cross the border. (arizona now revokes business licenses for anyone caught employing illegals) Fixing the immigration system will allow for more legal immigrants to gain entrance into our system. They can have the jobs and we can know who they are. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

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