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Old 01-25-2007, 08:42 AM   #1
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Not Quite a Death Ray, But...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070125/...e_us/ray_gun_4

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MOODY AIR FORCE BASE, Ga. - The military calls its new weapon an "active denial system," but that's an understatement. It's a ray gun that shoots a beam that makes people feel as if they are about to catch fire.

Apart from causing that terrifying sensation, the technology is supposed to be harmless _ a non-lethal way to get enemies to drop their weapons.

Military officials say it could save the lives of innocent civilians and service members in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

The weapon is not expected to go into production until at least 2010, but all branches of the military have expressed interest in it, officials said.

During the first media demonstration of the weapon Wednesday, airmen fired beams from a large dish antenna mounted atop a Humvee at people pretending to be rioters and acting out other scenarios that U.S. troops might encounter in war zones.

The device's two-man crew located their targets through powerful lenses and fired beams from more than 500 yards away. That is nearly 17 times the range of existing non-lethal weapons, such as rubber bullets.

Anyone hit by the beam immediately jumped out of its path because of the sudden blast of heat throughout the body. While the 130-degree heat was not painful, it was intense enough to make the participants think their clothes were about to ignite.

"This is one of the key technologies for the future," said Marine Col. Kirk Hymes, director of the non-lethal weapons program at Quantico, Va., which helped develop the new weapon. "Non-lethal weapons are important for the escalation of force, especially in the environments our forces are operating in."

The system uses electromagnetic millimeter waves, which can penetrate only 1/64th of an inch of skin, just enough to cause discomfort. By comparison, microwaves used in the common kitchen appliance penetrate several inches of flesh.

The millimeter waves cannot go through walls, but they can penetrate most clothing, officials said. They refused to comment on whether the waves can go through glass.

The weapon could be mounted aboard ships, airplanes and helicopters, and routinely used for security or anti-terrorism operations.

"There should be no collateral damage to this," said Senior Airman Adam Navin, 22, of Green Bay, Wis., who has served several tours in Iraq.

Navin and two other airmen were role players in Wednesday's demonstration. They and 10 reporters who volunteered were shot with the beams. The beams easily penetrated various layers of winter clothing.

The system was developed by the military, but the two devices currently being evaluated were built by defense contractor Raytheon.

Airman Blaine Pernell, 22, of suburban New Orleans, said he could have used the system during his four tours in Iraq, where he manned watchtowers around a base near Kirkuk. He said Iraqis constantly pulled up and faked car problems so they could scout out U.S. forces.

"All we could do is watch them," he said. But if they had the ray gun, troops "could have dispersed them."
All potential protesters and rioters are advised to place a couple of Orville Redenbacher microwave packages in each pocket before heading out to the fray. Its a quick and easy lunch, and fun for the whole riot!
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Old 01-25-2007, 08:46 AM   #2
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Thanks for that mental image Els - People jumpin and running all the while popcorn poppin and flyin.
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Old 01-25-2007, 08:54 AM   #3
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This could be a useful tool, but I fear the potential for abuse is very high. If it doesn't injure anyone, I think we'll see it being used on a lot of people indiscriminately. Since it causes a "terrifying sensation," each one of those people will then hate the US. They should call this the "enemy ray." Anyone you zap with it will become your enemy.

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Old 01-25-2007, 10:10 AM   #4
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Since it causes a "terrifying sensation," each one of those people will then hate the US
Hate us? They will most likely be us.

Bush's loaded courts will probably let them go crazy with non-lethal methods, Tazer for crowds or small groups.
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Old 01-25-2007, 10:32 AM   #5
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Old 01-25-2007, 02:37 PM   #6
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Thanks for that mental image Els - People jumpin and running all the while popcorn poppin and flyin.

Spinnin' and poppin', spinnin' and poppin'.
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Old 01-25-2007, 08:13 PM   #7
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Thanks for that mental image Els - People jumpin and running all the while popcorn poppin and flyin.

A microwaveable "Oscar Meyer Weenier" also brings bad thoughts to my mind...OUCH!
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Old 01-26-2007, 09:46 AM   #8
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Does it cause arcing in metal? Glasses, zippers, belts giving third degree burns, destruction of personal electronics like cell phones, hearing aids, pacemakers?
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Old 01-26-2007, 09:50 AM   #9
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On the surface, the idea of a weapon that can subdue a large group of people without really hurting them is a good thing.

But on the other side, there are some sick fuckers working for the military who sit around all day coming up with stuff like this - and other stuff that we don't hear about.
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Old 01-26-2007, 09:52 AM   #10
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mounted on a hummer.... it'll never get where it needs to go
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Old 01-26-2007, 10:26 AM   #11
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The system uses electromagnetic millimeter waves, which can penetrate only 1/64th of an inch of skin, just enough to cause discomfort. By comparison, microwaves used in the common kitchen appliance penetrate several inches of flesh.
A system that burns people with microwave radiation? Yeah, I can't see this possibly causing any long term harm.
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Old 01-26-2007, 10:40 AM   #12
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But on the other side, there are some sick fuckers working for the military who sit around all day coming up with stuff like this - and other stuff that we don't hear about.
Ain't that the truth!
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Old 01-26-2007, 01:43 PM   #13
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If they could make people actually catch fire, rather than thinking they might, they might have something there.
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Old 01-26-2007, 02:27 PM   #14
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Yeah really - you deal with enough people just thinkin that -eh Wolf?
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Old 01-26-2007, 02:30 PM   #15
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I guess this weapon is a statement that we will continue to misuse our military?
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