Big Band is the Hair Metal of Yesteryear

Flint · 11-01-2006, 03:16 PM

Big, brash, flashy sounds. Overly formulaic, with a cheesy dependence on impact, as opposed to nuance.

Attention to programmers of Sirius music channels: Big Band, Small Band, and Vocal Jazz should be minimum requirements for seperate
categories of jazz. Having one "Classic Jazz" (whatever that means) channel and stuffing all three into it really defeats the purpose.

(And btw: "Smooth Jazz" is not jazz...)

Pangloss62 · 11-01-2006, 05:55 PM

I concur with you Flint.

And it reminds me of a line a respected DJ friend of mine once said to someone who did not know what was meant by "Smooth Jazz." He leaned over and said:

"Yeah. Smooth, like diarhea."

Ibby · 11-01-2006, 07:28 PM

Watch it, bub, don't diss hair metal...

Flint · 11-01-2006, 07:34 PM

Oh, I love Hair Metal. For having vastly different qualities than I want when I listen to jazz.

footfootfoot · 11-01-2006, 07:36 PM

I love big band, smoth jizz, err jazz blows. And chic corea really bites.

Ibby · 11-01-2006, 07:38 PM

!
Chic Corea rocks, especially with Wooten.

Flint · 11-01-2006, 07:41 PM

I love Chick Corea, all the way from Return to Forever to Elektric Band.

WabUfvot5 · 11-01-2006, 09:07 PM

RATT > Glenn Miller

Ibby · 11-01-2006, 09:14 PM

ah, but Skid Row, GnR, and Whitesnake > Ratt

WabUfvot5 · 11-02-2006, 04:31 AM

Whitesnake? Are you serious? They were hardly hair but for a breif period. GNR I can go with. Skid Row had bigger hits but for overall quality I still say GNR > RATT (only barely) > Skid Row > Whitesnake.

Ibby · 11-02-2006, 06:12 AM

Psh, Whitesnake had Vai, which gives them major points, and so I'd say... Skid Row (I love Bach), GnR, Whitesnake, Ratt.

Pangloss62 · 11-02-2006, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Big, brash, flashy sounds. Overly formulaic, with a cheesy dependence on impact, as opposed to nuance.

I orginally concured, but I think that there are SOME big bands that do nuance fairly well. Stan Kenton comes to mind.

Big Band music is mostly dance music, so maybe disco, rather than Hair Metal, is a good analogy.

Chic Corea? Well, not my cup of tea. I went through a fusion phase however, and in retrospect I remember liking it; not now, however.

But Flint's point regarding "Classic Jazz" is so true. My All Music Guide to Jazz, which I respect after using it for a year or so, lists over 75 sub-genres of Jazz.

Nonetheless, just for fun, I ask all of you, if limited to one, what would be the one "Jazz" album (of any genre) you would bring to your island?

mrnoodle · 11-03-2006, 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jebediah

for overall quality I still say GNR > RATT (only barely) > Skid Row > Whitesnake.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram

Psh, Whitesnake had Vai, which gives them major points, and so I'd say... Skid Row (I love Bach), GnR, Whitesnake, Ratt.

Skid Row>Ratt>Whitesnake (Sykes)>GnR>Whitesnake (Vai).

Ratt can go anywhere in the middle, actually. Their lyrics were stupid as hell. But DiMartini was and is godlike. Sooo fluid compared to the guitarists in the other bands. Lay It Down is the perfect intro and solo. Not the flashiest, but the most fist pumping.

Actually, I wanna change Whitesnake to somewhere near the top -- I just watched the DVD of a recent tour, and they kicked so much ass I almost grew a spontaneous mullet. They were better than any other thing I've seen this year -- David Coverdale looks like someone's great aunt, but he is an awesome showman. Reb Beach from Winger was playing 2nd guitar for em. The lead guitarist was someone I've never heard of, but he was fucking phenomenal. Reb just kind of hung back for most of it. When he did a solo or two, it was standard Reb pwnage, but whenever he plays it sounds like a Winger solo.

Dang.

K.

Whitesnake>Skid Row>Ratt>GnR (who doesn't really fit in this category for me. They were kind of late-ish)

We now return you to your regularly scheduled big band thread.

WabUfvot5 · 11-03-2006, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibram

Psh, Whitesnake had Vai, which gives them major points, and so I'd say... Skid Row (I love Bach), GnR, Whitesnake, Ratt.

Blah, that Whitesnake album with Vai was so bland I sold mine. Vai is great but if the songs are boring not even he can save them.

wolf · 11-02-2006, 05:36 PM

Time Out - Dave Brubeck Quartet ... no wait ... Benny Goodman ... no ... Django Reinhardt

Can't be done. Not just one Jazz Album. Has to be at least five, possibly 10.

Does a five CD compilation set count as one album? I might be able to cut it down to that ...

11-01-2006, 03:16 PM	#1
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Big Band is the Hair Metal of Yesteryear Big, brash, flashy sounds. Overly formulaic, with a cheesy dependence on impact, as opposed to nuance. Attention to programmers of Sirius music channels: Big Band, Small Band, and Vocal Jazz should be minimum requirements for seperate categories of jazz. Having one "Classic Jazz" (whatever that means) channel and stuffing all three into it really defeats the purpose. (And btw: "Smooth Jazz" is not jazz...) __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-01-2006, 05:55 PM	#2
Pangloss62 Lecturer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Atlanta Posts: 768	Jazz I concur with you Flint. And it reminds me of a line a respected DJ friend of mine once said to someone who did not know what was meant by "Smooth Jazz." He leaned over and said: "Yeah. Smooth, like diarhea." __________________ Things are never as good, or bad, as they seem.

11-01-2006, 07:28 PM	#3
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Watch it, bub, don't diss hair metal... __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-01-2006, 07:34 PM	#4
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Oh, I love Hair Metal. For having vastly different qualities than I want when I listen to jazz. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-01-2006, 07:36 PM	#5
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	I love big band, smoth jizz, err jazz blows. And chic corea really bites. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

11-01-2006, 07:38 PM	#6
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	! Chic Corea rocks, especially with Wooten. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-01-2006, 07:41 PM	#7
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I love Chick Corea, all the way from Return to Forever to Elektric Band. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

11-01-2006, 09:07 PM	#8
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	RATT > Glenn Miller

11-01-2006, 09:14 PM	#9
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	ah, but Skid Row, GnR, and Whitesnake > Ratt __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-02-2006, 04:31 AM	#10
WabUfvot5 Operations Operative Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 634	Whitesnake? Are you serious? They were hardly hair but for a breif period. GNR I can go with. Skid Row had bigger hits but for overall quality I still say GNR > RATT (only barely) > Skid Row > Whitesnake.

11-02-2006, 06:12 AM	#11
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Psh, Whitesnake had Vai, which gives them major points, and so I'd say... Skid Row (I love Bach), GnR, Whitesnake, Ratt. __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

11-02-2006, 05:36 PM	#15
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Time Out - Dave Brubeck Quartet ... no wait ... Benny Goodman ... no ... Django Reinhardt Can't be done. Not just one Jazz Album. Has to be at least five, possibly 10. Does a five CD compilation set count as one album? I might be able to cut it down to that ... __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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