Lunchpail Republicans . . .

[classicman]

Taking Back Our Party



This could be the beginning of something very interesting.
I wonder if its for real or if its a Koch brothers backed front group
trying to take the heat off of things...

[classicman]

[classicman]

couple more here if you're interested.

[SamIam]

I only just now read this thread. Interesting stuff. People from all sides of the spectrum are becoming fed up with a government of the corporations, by the corporations. Republicans can't say that they are for less government and at the same time push through Right to Work. Its just one more example of government taking away our individual rights.

[tw]

Originally Posted by SamIam

People from all sides of the spectrum are becoming fed up with a government of the corporations, by the corporations.

More interesting, corporation that are productive are not involved with, running to, or interfering with government. For example, corporations that have problem with unions and free markets have profitability problems due to no new products 10 and 20 years ago. Rather than blame a myopic management for obsolete products, that management would rather blame unions, tax structure, laws, foreigners - anything but top management.

How do such companies get productive? Either the Board of Directors fires bad management (ie Nardelli at Home Depot). Or bankruptcy forces change (ie GM, Eastman Kodak). The second option, that makes America so productive, is subverted when solutions do not address the #1 reason for problems - top management. Instead we blame the workers? Better is to undermine the American standards of living? Where does that make sense?

Companies that do not need laws to protect profits are, coincidentally, America's most productive. Because the boss works for and empowers his employees. With an innovator’s attitude, an employee is an asset; not something to cost control and blame.

[it]

lunchpail what? didn't we have enough problems agreeing about what it means to be a liberterian without adding another level between liberterianism and republicanism?

[classicman]

Then again ...
Judge Napolitano.How to get fired from Fox Business in under 5 mins


Apparently his last day in today. The Judge said on his facebook page the final show is Feb 13th 8:00 PM

[Ibby]

When was that rant broadcast, and why do we necessarily assume that that rant is what got his ass canned?

[classicman]

It ran earlier this week. I didn't assume that. That was simply the title on youtube.
I'm relatively sure his show was cancelled due to ratings. Thats what usually happens.

[pastortoy]

I know out to lunch Republicans, of course, but no lunchpail Republicans.

[Ibby]

I was careful NOT to say that YOU were assuming it, which is why I used "we" somewhat facetiously to mean "whoever titled it that". I think that he by all means oughtta been fired long before this, but I'm fairly confident ratings musta been the motivator. Still, I don't understand the... significance of posting the video, I guess. The "fringe" on the left - including actual legitimate paid television hosts like Cenk Uygur and Dylan Ratigan - have been saying that exact thing, sans-pro-Pauliness, for a LONG time. That speech sounded pretty mainstream to me, and I think at least a pretty broad swathe of the American public would agree that it's not particularly shocking or revolutionary, and without arguing that it was why he was fired, I don't understand it's greater significance, I guess. What's the "then again" of this? How does this factor into our debate? Why is an asshole like Napolitano saying it any more relevant than, well, any of the other host of assholes who say it saying it? What, if I can say this without coming across as rude, is your point? Where does that video fit in the "lunchpail republican" discussion? He was basically arguing the opposite, I think, of the lunchpail republican ideal - a "smaller", economically conservative government that DOESN'T fight on behalf of or even defend working-class employment.

I think supporting manufacturing and "blue-collar" jobs is vitally important to the American economy. I'm glad some republicans, lunchpail-labelled or otherwise, still support working-class and blue-collar jobs, and are willing to speak out to defend them, but I think far too few do.

[classicman]

I guess we just see this differently.
I think he makes some very interesting points that apply to both sides.
Perhaps I erred by posting it in this thread.
His "What if's" are pretty appealing to some who are not blinded by party affiliation.

He was basically arguing the opposite, I think, of the lunchpail republican ideal - a "smaller",
economically conservative government that DOESN'T fight on behalf of or even defend working-class employment.

I disagree. Where do you get that from?

I also think that sometimes hosts, especially on Fox, sometimes (being kind) toe the line
or are basically told what to say. [cough]Koch Brothers[cough]
I get the impression that this is certainly not ^^that.^^
Of course, that's just my opinion. Take it for what you will.

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by classicman

I disagree. Where do you get that from?

Wait, sorry, maybe I do fundamentally misunderstand his point. How is his position supportive of manufacturing and other blue-collar job creation? I understood his libertarian position as being hostile to the idea of (actively investing public intent in) maintaining or growing the american manufacturing sector (that is to say, as being economically conservative enough to argue that public support of the american manufacturing sector is a problematic "big-government", "socialist" intention)? His position was somewhere to the libertarian-conservative (going on the political compass, two-axis, economic-vs-social dimension, definitions) side of the Republican party, where I would argue that the lunchpail republican position is on the socialist-authoritarian end of same spectrum. How was, in that quote/video, Napolitano arguing for the (what I understand the lunchpail republican to be) position that American manufacturing, blue-collar jobs should be encouraged rather than discouraged?

[BigV]

THAT is a LOT of questions.... There are a few good ones in there, along with some silly ones, like what if government policies remained the same despite a change in executive.

Please continue your discussion friends, I'm enjoying the conversation.

[SamIam]

Originally Posted by BigV

Please continue your discussion friends, I'm enjoying the conversation.

Wait! What? Discussion in the POLITICS forum? I'm gone for a few days and behind my back, you guys start having DISCUSSIONS? Where's UG when we need him?

Seriously, I liked Classic's video of Napolitano's questions or rant or whatever you want to call it. He raises some good points that are of interest no matter which side of the class war fox holes we're taking cover in.

What if both parties just want power and have young people fight wars just to enhance that power?

There's no "what if" for me on this one. Beyond a doubt Republicans and Democrats are locked in a fierce struggle for power to the the detriment of the nation and its people. We've had a Congress that has done almost nothing other than fight for turf for almost two years now. Our president seems incapable of the leadership needed to get Congress out of this deadlock. If anything, he is just slowly caving in to conservative demands - if "caving in" is really what he's doing rather than pandering.

Democrats are people, too. Cut them, they bleed. Dangle PAC money from billionaires at them and they'll snap for it as quickly as their fellow predators in the Republican party.

We now have a system where less than 1% of Americans participate in the military. This makes it easy to isolate soldiers and their families while asking them to make incredible - and often unneeded - sacrifices for the "sake of their country." But what better ploy for a president than to have a small war always going on somewhere - especially when the impact on the people of this country is so insignificant? All sorts of atrocities against our rights have been carried out in the name of America's "War on Terror." Politicians take away our constitutional rights, giving themselves ever more power, and our response is to mindlessly chant "USA! USA! USA!" and put a "Support Our Troops" bumper sticker on our cars.

Support our troops? Let's get real. Support our politicians.