American Grammar Help, please...

monster · 09-04-2011, 06:23 PM

XYZ Synchronized Swim Team

are proud to present

OR

XYZ Synchronized Swim Team

is proud to present

footfootfoot · 09-04-2011, 06:24 PM

is this country a group is singular

monster · 09-04-2011, 06:38 PM

thanks, that's what I thought, wanted to make sure ..it's treated as a plural in Brit English.

Clodfobble · 09-04-2011, 06:56 PM

Officially, it can be either depending on the intent. But in common usage, people would expect "is" for a swim team.

monster · 09-04-2011, 07:03 PM

thanks, common usage is what i need

Pico and ME · 09-04-2011, 07:27 PM

If it was the XYZ Synchronized Swimmers, then 'are' would be appropriate...

BigV · 09-04-2011, 11:32 PM

When I listen to the sports news on the BBC, I find it a little jarring to hear the team's name used as a plural. "Arsenal are..." etc.

DanaC · 09-05-2011, 03:29 AM

'is' can also be used but it depends on context.

ZenGum · 09-05-2011, 06:24 AM

I find it particularly jarring when a team with a plural countable-noun name (say, the Denver Broncos) are playing a team with an uncountable noun name (Miami Heat).

"Miami Heat is in the lead, but the Broncos are closing fast..." Ugh.

monster · 09-05-2011, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigV

When I listen to the sports news on the BBC, I find it a little jarring to hear the team's name used as a plural. "Arsenal are..." etc.

That's only because you don't know how to speak proper.

glatt · 09-05-2011, 06:55 AM

Zen, how do you know about the Miami Heat? Do they really get coverage in Australia? Or is their name just a joke there?

footfootfoot · 09-05-2011, 07:28 AM

It's a dry heat

xyz synchronized swimmerS makes it plural. TeamS would also be plural.

BigV · 09-05-2011, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum

I find it particularly jarring when a team with a plural countable-noun name (say, the Denver Broncos) are playing a team with an uncountable noun name (Miami Heat).

"Miami Heat is in the lead, but the Broncos are closing fast..." Ugh.

This is what I'm talking about. CLANG!!

BigV · 09-05-2011, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monster

That's only because you don't know how to speak proper.

So stipulated.

Griff · 09-05-2011, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZenGum

I find it particularly jarring when a team with a plural countable-noun name (say, the Denver Broncos) are playing a team with an uncountable noun name (Miami Heat).

"Miami Heat is in the lead, but the Broncos are closing fast..." Ugh.

Especially jarring is one playing Football Americano and the other basketball.

09-04-2011, 06:23 PM	#1
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