Politics ad absurdam - Page 6

Undertoad · 08-07-2007, 10:17 AM

It's protected speech, believe it or not. They can say whatever they want.

DanaC · 08-07-2007, 10:28 AM

*Nods* I see. I find that scary.

yesman065 · 08-07-2007, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC

*Nods* I see. I find that scary.

Me too - I guess this Freedom thing isn't free.

Undertoad · 08-07-2007, 12:07 PM

It all stems from the fact that the US was never governed by "betters" - no Kings, no dictators, no appointed experts to save us from ourselves.

No person's words or opinions can be more correct, under the law, than another's. We are all equal under the law.

When the KKK exercises their right to free speech, people understand and respond with more speech. These days counter-protests of the KKK are larger than the actual protest, at least in the northeast.

I much more fear the restriction of speech, than free people speaking on whatever they care to speak.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-07-2007, 06:57 PM

Explain that to the judge when he claps you in irons for contempt of court.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-12-2007, 01:01 AM

Which is only allowed to occur with a court, and not, say, getting clapped in irons for "contempt of diner restaurant."

08-13-2007, 03:15 AM

When it is your turn to speak in court... speak.

You just may not interrupt proceedings. As long as you are recognized by the court, you are fine.

Griff · 08-13-2007, 02:14 PM

Something you can't say, someplaces.

Griff · 08-13-2007, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

It all stems from the fact that the US was never governed by "betters" - no Kings, no dictators, no appointed experts to save us from ourselves.

No person's words or opinions can be more correct, under the law, than another's. We are all equal under the law.

When the KKK exercises their right to free speech, people understand and respond with more speech. These days counter-protests of the KKK are larger than the actual protest, at least in the northeast.

I much more fear the restriction of speech, than free people speaking on whatever they care to speak.

I think that the existence of free speech zones implies that we have betters.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-13-2007, 03:00 PM

Or worsers

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-14-2007, 06:17 AM

Griff, that's just Ringer's Paradox in action.

Griff · 08-14-2007, 06:49 AM

I don't know who Ringer is but Bubble Boys surrounded by yes men need to see protestors.

yesman065 · 08-14-2007, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Griff

I don't know who Ringer is but Bubble Boys surrounded by yes men need to see protestors.

Whatcha talkin' bout Griffis?

Griff · 08-14-2007, 09:38 AM

When the protests are kept away from the venues where politicians are spinning it does not look like competition in the marketplace of ideas to me.

There is also the issue of politicians living inside the beltway seeing only their supporters losing touch with reality, despite or in spite of poll numbers.

Urbane Guerrilla · 08-15-2007, 12:11 AM

Robert J. Ringer: Restoring the American Dream. He made the point that no right or liberty exists absolutely untrammeled in any society of more than one person, and put it A freedom restricted is a freedom preserved. Worthwhile reading.

08-07-2007, 06:57 PM	#80
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Explain that to the judge when he claps you in irons for contempt of court. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-12-2007, 01:01 AM	#81
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Which is only allowed to occur with a court, and not, say, getting clapped in irons for "contempt of diner restaurant." __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

08-13-2007, 02:14 PM	#83
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Something you can't say, someplaces. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-13-2007, 03:00 PM	#85
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Or worsers __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-14-2007, 06:49 AM	#87
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	I don't know who Ringer is but Bubble Boys surrounded by yes men need to see protestors. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-07-2007, 10:17 AM	#76
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It's protected speech, believe it or not. They can say whatever they want.

08-07-2007, 10:28 AM	#77
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Nods I see. I find that scary.

08-07-2007, 12:07 PM	#79
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It all stems from the fact that the US was never governed by "betters" - no Kings, no dictators, no appointed experts to save us from ourselves. No person's words or opinions can be more correct, under the law, than another's. We are all equal under the law. When the KKK exercises their right to free speech, people understand and respond with more speech. These days counter-protests of the KKK are larger than the actual protest, at least in the northeast. I much more fear the restriction of speech, than free people speaking on whatever they care to speak.

08-13-2007, 03:15 AM	#82
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	When it is your turn to speak in court... speak. You just may not interrupt proceedings. As long as you are recognized by the court, you are fine.

08-14-2007, 06:17 AM	#86
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Griff, that's just Ringer's Paradox in action.

08-14-2007, 09:38 AM	#89
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	When the protests are kept away from the venues where politicians are spinning it does not look like competition in the marketplace of ideas to me. There is also the issue of politicians living inside the beltway seeing only their supporters losing touch with reality, despite or in spite of poll numbers. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-15-2007, 12:11 AM	#90
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Robert J. Ringer: Restoring the American Dream. He made the point that no right or liberty exists absolutely untrammeled in any society of more than one person, and put it A freedom restricted is a freedom preserved. Worthwhile reading. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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