Carter: America tortures

dar512 · 10-11-2007, 09:38 AM

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Former President Jimmy Carter said Wednesday he is convinced the United States engages in torture that clearly breaches international law and told CNN President Bush creates his own definition of human rights to escape violating them.

CNN Story

On the other hand, don't forget it's an election year (and a half)

glatt · 10-11-2007, 09:50 AM

Well, he does have a point.

Americans have certainly tortured prisoners in the recent past.

Flint · 10-12-2007, 09:40 PM

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don't tase me bro!

DanaC · 10-11-2007, 10:11 AM

Not to mention the Extraordinary Renditions process.

TheMercenary · 10-12-2007, 07:12 PM

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Not to mention the Extraordinary Renditions process.

To bad that does not qualify as torture or you might actually have a point.

But of course we could talk about the treatment of the Irish by the British if you want to look at a country in the western world who set the standards in modern times for the treatment and torture of prisoners.

tw · 10-12-2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

But of course we could talk about the treatment of the Irish by the British

But we are not talking about the British - are we. We are talking about Americans who love, endorse, and advocate torture. TheMercenary loves torture? Or does TheMercenary oppose torture by Americans? Based upon a political agenda that supersedes ethics, my bet is that TheMercenary loves Americans doing torture. It is synonymous with those who love and support Cheney - who also publically advocated torture. So which is it, TheMercenary? Do you love torture or do you oppose torture? ... not that I believe he has the balls to answer without being elusive.

TheMercenary · 10-12-2007, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tw

But we are not talking about the British - are we. We are talking about Americans who love, endorse, and advocate torture. TheMercenary loves torture? Or does TheMercenary oppose torture by Americans? Based upon a political agenda that supersedes ethics, my bet is that TheMercenary loves Americans doing torture. It is synonymous with those who love and support Cheney - who also publically advocated torture. So which is it, TheMercenary? Do you love torture or do you oppose torture? ... not that I believe he has the balls to answer without being elusive.

I love for us to do whatever it takes to win. We don't torture. Although we do have some people who went over the line in the forms of abuse of detained persons, and many of them were punished. Some were not punished. Now tw, define torture. List all of the things you think are torture that you know the US has used on detained persons in an effort to extract information. I bet you don't have the balls to do it. Do you?

Happy Monkey · 10-11-2007, 12:46 PM

Is there even a question? When the Bush administration lists all the tortures that they've classified as not officially torture, that's pretty much an admission of guilt.

Griff · 10-11-2007, 08:04 PM

Look, if the price of freedom is secret imprisonment and torture we should all be willing...

Urbane Guerrilla · 10-11-2007, 09:32 PM

Carter is: a) a modern-day Democrat, with all that implies, and b) the guy whose Administration couldn't win at the Iranian hostage rescue.

I didn't vote for him either, but -- full disclosure -- mostly out of apathy. Enthusiasm for politics didn't develop until later.

Happy Monkey · 10-12-2007, 07:14 PM

Not in itself, but it is only done in order to enable torture.

TheMercenary · 10-12-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Not in itself, but it is only done in order to enable torture.

Says who? you?

Happy Monkey · 10-12-2007, 07:30 PM

Everybody. There's no other reason to do it.

TheMercenary · 10-12-2007, 07:32 PM

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Everybody. There's no other reason to do it.

Everybody who?

Why of course there is, for interrogation. I fully support it.

Happy Monkey · 10-13-2007, 09:03 PM

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Why of course there is, for interrogation.

Interrogation by torture.

10-11-2007, 09:50 AM	#2
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Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Is there even a question? When the Bush administration lists all the tortures that they've classified as not officially torture, that's pretty much an admission of guilt. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Look, if the price of freedom is secret imprisonment and torture we should all be willing... __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

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Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Carter is: a) a modern-day Democrat, with all that implies, and b) the guy whose Administration couldn't win at the Iranian hostage rescue. I didn't vote for him either, but -- full disclosure -- mostly out of apathy. Enthusiasm for politics didn't develop until later. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Not in itself, but it is only done in order to enable torture. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Not to mention the Extraordinary Renditions process.

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Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Everybody. There's no other reason to do it. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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