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11-20-2013, 08:02 AM | #1 |
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Iran Nuclear Negotiations
Peaceful nuclear negotiations are obviously going well:
Iran's Supreme Leader has warned his country will not step back "one iota" from its nuclear rights, as it resumes talks with world powers in Geneva. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25007901 |
11-20-2013, 09:54 AM | #2 |
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"going well" and sadface.
I don't understand why you've put these together, would you explain please?
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11-20-2013, 03:48 PM | #3 | |
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When the REAL ruler of Iran, announces that they won't give "one iota", in any nuclear negotiations, I thought it might be obvious that the "negotiations" are going absolutely nowhere. WE are the one's negotiating, not Iran. WE are the one's saying the negotiating is "very close" to making a deal. WE are the one's asking for no more sanctions to be put onto Iran. (Obama) After all these years, if we don't have every sanction possible put onto Iran, it's just because we're too stupid to do it. Maybe the Iranians will get upset about the sanctions. Maybe they'll have big rallies, chanting "Death to America" (like the one they just had). Maybe they'll even try to build nuclear weapons. You know, like the one's they've built INSIDE A MOUNTAIN. Gosh! That couldn't happen, could it, Mr. Obama? |
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11-21-2013, 01:24 AM | #5 | |
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That includes us. If you got this dismissive attitude on sale Bruce, please return it. |
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11-21-2013, 05:23 AM | #6 | ||
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.........USA: Hey Iran, no nukes or we won't buy your oil. 199 others: We will, we will buy oil. .........USA: Hey guys, we have to stick together. 100 others: Oh all right... sulk sulk. 50 others: No, we won't help the USA bully poor Iran. 49 others: OK, we'll go along with an embargo.... pssst Iran, meet me in the alley. And that concludes Sanctions 101. Quote:
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11-20-2013, 10:31 PM | #7 |
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Every successful agreement is ongoing while press rumors hype the end of the world. A perfect example was Richard Holbrooke's negotiated surrender of Milosevic. At the time, nobody had a clue that future Balkan massacres were being averted by the Dayton Accords and Milosevic's all but acknowledged surrender.
We have no idea what is really being discussed in Iran Nuclear negotiations. We do know that George Jr seriously gutted the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty when he virtually exempted India. Barring that serious problem, Iranian nuclear negotiations could have successful results. But again, with so many news reports chock full of wild speculation and Netanyahu preaching extremst rhetoric, then we have no idea how those talks are really proceeding. We also know Iran, on multiple occasions, attempted to negotiate cooperation with the US on many regional problems - including the removal of Taliban and Al Qaeda from Afghanistan. Once George Jr gave that wacky extremist "Axis of Evil" speech, then Iranians in power who were trying to work with the US told US negotiators, blunt and to their faces, "You blew it." The message was clear - except to many in the US who get their news from Fox. This is the first real conversation between the US and Iran since George Jr extremists and their "Axis of Evil" tirade so poisoned those waters. |
11-21-2013, 01:47 AM | #8 | |
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The French have mentioned a few things. The Iranians won't accept inspections at three facilities, and destruction of their heavy water facility. You are a student of the Kosovo action? Do you remember what happened to the Dutch soldiers when they secured Srebrenica, and the Serb army demanded they surrender? The Dutch (U.N.) soldiers were ordered to surrender. Then the Serbs lead the men and boys the Dutch were protecting, out into the forest. The men and boys were all shot, there. The women were raped in the town. The Dutch soldiers were disarmed, their pants taken away, and they became P.O.W.'s. Not a shot was fired, thanks to the liberal interpretation of "soldier" and "protect", by their commanders. They were soldiers with a liberal and non-violent mandate. When you walk softly and carry a Teddy Bear, you don't get the same results as when you walk softly, and carry a big stick. You can see that in the mass graves they've discovered in the forests around Srebrenica, if you need further adjustment to your prejudices. You'll find about 8,000 reasons to change your mind. |
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11-21-2013, 07:35 AM | #9 | |
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In Kosovo, it was Ethnic Albanians (Muslim) primarily killing Serbs (Christians).
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11-22-2013, 06:01 AM | #11 | |
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Yes, he was removed from public office, but the actual "crime" was way more of a technicality. Truth is, Roger had money from school bonds and other income, ACTUALLY going to our schools and roads, and fire trucks and infrastructure, instead of going so much to the unions. Here's an example of the problem. We have a retired head librarian. She made about $104,000 per year, tops, when she was working full time. She makes about $112,000 per year, now in retirement. How does she make so much in retirement? Because our liberal politicians allowed all the city union workers to BUY years of service. So the librarian bought about 10 years, at a terrific discount over what she gets back, now and for the rest of her life. And her retirement amount can NOT be reduced. Courts already ruled on that. Most county union workers (fire, police, etc.), have the same arrangement, but our county runs fine, because the county supervisors limit the amounts. The city never did, unfortunately. In fact, our city council and Mayor told us the liability that the city faced was all manageable, year after year. We asked "How?" and got nothing but political nonsense and lies for answers. Finally, a whistle blower told us the straight facts, and it was "Oh, Shit!". The city came within an inch of going into bankruptcy (they took a vote on it). If you want the inside look at a striking Conservative politician today, read up on Governor Walker, of Wisconsin. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_W...8politician%29 Wikipedia article on him, doesn't tell the whole story, but he's turned Wisconsin business, and the state budget, from bad, to good, in just a few years. I don't agree with everything Walker believes, but his impact on Wisconsin's economy has been stunning, in spite of the recession. I had to laugh at Obama's speech as he gave the medal of freedom to Bill Clinton. He talked about how Clinton cut our deficit, and helped improve our economy, etc. Of course, that was done because the Conservatives in the Congress, had their "Contract with America", and worked hard to make sure those cuts in spending, and those helps to businesses, happened. It wasn't Bill Clinton's idea. He was just smart enough to go along with it, and of course, busy with a certain stain on a blue dress. It's too bad Obama didn't learn how to get and keep an economy healthy, from watching what Clinton did, during his term. |
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11-21-2013, 09:56 PM | #12 | |
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Diplomacy was used properly to 'encourage' Milosevic to surrender. Srebrenica happens when powers that be refuse to negotiate a solution and try to solve it with military (ie pathetic safe zone) actions. Actions clearly mocked by the Serbs. Dutch soldiers were sent back without their cloths. And still the powers that be did nothing - militarily or with negotiations. An Iranian solution is being negotiated from a position of power. What is being traded? Well, we also did not know that an end to the cold war was being negotiated until well after negotiations had been ongoing in great detail. We know the French went public with complaints of the Iranian negotiations. But we have no idea what the French and all other negotiators were saying at the table. We don't even know if that was only a negotiating tactic by the French. Maybe even planned or encouraged by other parties. We only have speculation. We know this is the first time Iran has negotiated in earnest with other powers. We don't even know with certainty what they are and are not willing to trade. Since we only have press rumors - not actual confirmed comment from the negotiators sharing a common microphone. French comments made those negotiations interesting. Also curious is what Israel might be doing to subvert those negotiation. |
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It's possible the next Israeli leader will feel differently, and both sides will peacefully keep their nuclear weapons (if Iran does get them). Personally, I'm not optimistic that such a "cold war" between Israel and Iran, will be able to take hold and sustain itself. Perhaps when a new Iranian Supreme leader is in place, it might work, who knows? |
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11-22-2013, 08:44 AM | #14 | |
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Does not help that George Jr blew a giant hole in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty by offering nuclear material to India. And that Iran and N Korea both need nuclear weapons because of his 'Axis of Evil' speech that said we will unilaterally attack both nations. These nuclear proliferation problems were created, in part, by an American government that even invented Saddam's WMDs because they (ie Cheney) only saw solutions in military actions. It is a legacy we and the region must now live with. And a lesson on why problems must be solve diplomatically. Concepts even explained in "The Art of War" were violated by Cheney who could only understand military solutions - with contempt for the American serviceman. He never understood the power or need for diplomacy (which explains his contempt for Colin Powell). Cheney routinely violated those and many other well understood concepts. And so we have these now serous nuclear problems. Iran is now stuck in the nuclear development pipeline because we said we would unilaterally attack Iran. And inadvertently may have created or encouraged a region wide nuclear standoff. It may not only be Israel and Iran. Both Turkey and Saudi Arabia will also need those weapons. Pakistan will be happy to provide them. |
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12-01-2013, 08:52 PM | #15 |
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If you want to waste your time writing a reference book without much research, go right ahead. Your sources are media outlets - not real journalism research
I am writing up ideas I hear and also some personal observations and thoughts. My sources are also media outlets - some you'd like, some you wouldn't like. I'm not trying to write a historical thesis here. If you want to believe an anti-video demonstration in Benghazi included c4 explosive, squad level machine guns, RPG launchers, and mortars, you are perfectly free to do that. Since Obama has given them a gag order under penalty of prison time, and no one can speak to them about Benghazi, just how do you think we could research the matter further? Sensible people know better. It was a lie, straight from Obama, to Susan Rice, who promptly trotted it out to no less than four political talk shows, in a single weekend. |
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