Bhutto dead in Rawalpindi

slang · 12-27-2007, 09:34 AM

classicman · 12-27-2007, 09:43 AM

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President Bush, vacationing at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, was informed of Bhutto's death during his regular morning briefing. The White House had no immediate comment, although a statement was planned.

No comment? How bout a freakin "sorry" at least? Grrrr

slang · 12-27-2007, 09:57 AM

Hey, put the gun down.

He's not great with words. I'm sure his staff writer will come up with something appropriate.

classicman · 12-27-2007, 10:55 AM

It's too late when he doesn't say Something after its reported that he knew. A decisive and intelligent leader would say the right thing immediately. All he had to do was show compassion. Anything would be better than a canned speech later. Thats not only lame as a president or leader its lame, really lame, as a person.

This is half his problem - He isn't that smart - He isn't the best speaker - He is supposed to be a moral man - use that for G--s sake! Pretty much all he has left - if he's got that at all.

slang · 12-27-2007, 11:07 AM

Ok then.

slang · 12-27-2007, 11:30 AM

Yes, the whole thing is sad. It's a tragedy for the Pak people.

I don't understand all the politics there or all the history. When I was there to visit though, they were the nicest people anyone would care to meet.

Rawalpindi is very friendly to foreigners and they were surely friendly and protective of me during my trip. There are a handful of people that I am still incontact with there. My communications with that country have have trickled to just a few e-mails a year now with some links to other interesting places that my adventures take me.

Soon after arriving there, I started asking people about Musharraf. If they were supporters, did they approve of his policies and such things. Most of the people I talked to were supporters and approved of the assistance to the west.

Those opinions may well have been politeness in my presence.

In just 2 years the tide has changed for Musharraf. I'm guessing that this is moreso outside of Rawalpindi and Lahore.

Peshawar and Karachi seemed to be hotspots for the fundimentalists. Quetta seemed to be a bit more extreme yet.

I wish them the best though and I'd surely like to go back again someday. It's a Muslim country (or Pindi anyway ) that is surely tolerant to foreign Christians so long as they aren't there for missionary work.

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-27-2007, 11:26 AM

Classicman, and I say this as a poster who rather likes you personally, shut the hell up. You're really asking the Leader Of The Free World to blurt. I don't think he should blurt.

Allow statesmanship to be, and don't try honoring Benazir Bhutto's memory by getting hysterical. We saw enough of that to last a lifetime on the morning of 9/11 -- outrageous then, and I'm not going to take it now.

Turning to the spark of all this: suicide attack by gunman who then kills twenty blowing himself into pink mist -- sounds to me like somebody's hostile to political reform in Islam, and Bhutto would have been a likely focal point.

classicman · 12-27-2007, 01:22 PM

UG, you might as well take your own advice. If Bush were 1/10 the leader you wesapouse, he would have said and done the right thing immediately. Unfortunately, he isn't smart enough or capable of forming a sincere sense of condolences from the people whom he supposedly represents, the American people.

Then again maybe his silence did....... we'll see.

Cloud · 12-27-2007, 01:32 PM

very shocking. She was definitely living dangerously, though.

Radar · 12-27-2007, 02:03 PM

I think it's painfully clear that Musharraf was behind this assassination. First he locks up all the judges, then he delays elections and puts the country under martial law....then he refuses to increase security after being begged by Bhutto's people.

He was about to lose the election so he took steps to make sure that didn't happen. The news just glossed over this, but at the same time Bhutto was killed, the other opposition leader in the election was also attacked.

TheMercenary · 12-28-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar

I think it's painfully clear that Musharraf was behind this assassination. First he locks up all the judges, then he delays elections and puts the country under martial law....then he refuses to increase security after being begged by Bhutto's people.

He was about to lose the election so he took steps to make sure that didn't happen. The news just glossed over this, but at the same time Bhutto was killed, the other opposition leader in the election was also attacked.

I don't think he was directly behind it. He merely failed to give her the protection she wanted and knew that sooner or later the extremists would find a way to kill her. He knew what would happen but you will never be able to directly tie her death to him. Allowing them to kill her garnered support among the extremists. To bad there is really no promise that he will not be next, which is quite possible.

richlevy · 12-28-2007, 12:28 PM

It's sort of ironic. We psyched ourselves up to go after a dictator posing as a democratic leader that we had helped stay in power because we thought he might be considering developing nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, in the second theater of operations, we prop up another dictator posing as a democratic leader who we know has nuclear weapons because he controls one of the borders and has promised to clean up an area where we know our enemies are located but where we cannot go at them directly so as not to offend this guy and because we are overstretched because of the going after the other dictator who didn't really have anything and was nowhere near as dangerous as the guy we are going to for help.

I would personally like to thank this administration for providing the intelligence that led us to this exciting moment in world history. I was a mere toddler during the Cuban missile crisis and missed out on truly appreciating the fear and anxiety adults had over the possibility of world destruction. Our current geopolitical thrill ride hasn't quite reached that point yet, but I have high hopes that the general incompetence of our administration in any diplomacy that doesn't involve a few army divisions or a flight of stealth bombers will soon give us that adrenaline pumping moment that you normally have to pay $30 at an amusement park to experience.

Elspode · 12-28-2007, 04:09 PM

I'm still too pissed about Ms Bhutto to really be rational. Suffice to say that I fear that Pakistan is on the way down a really scummy political toilet, and that its descent into a Muslim Extremist safe harbor has greatly accelerated.

I admired her very much, despite all claims of malfeasance and politically augmented money grabbing. She was a groundbreaker in the world of women's rights in Muslim society, an almost regally composed individual of surpassing beauty and charisma.

I want the fuckers who are responsible for this murder skewered on rusty poles in the public square.

Pakistan, as a defacto military dictatorship, is about five minutes from providing a nuclear warhead to the Taliban, Al Qaeda or some other fringe fucking towelheaded group whose only concern is the death of infidels.

This shit scares me spitless.

classicman · 12-27-2007, 02:49 PM

I agree with your take on this Radar. Too many coincidences, not just on this, but the last few months also.

classicman · 12-27-2007, 03:41 PM

'A Wrong Must Be Righted'

excerpts from a Parade interview with Bhutto.

12-27-2007, 09:34 AM	#1
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Bhutto dead in Rawalpindi Bad news all around.

12-27-2007, 10:55 AM	#4
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	It's too late when he doesn't say Something after its reported that he knew. A decisive and intelligent leader would say the right thing immediately. All he had to do was show compassion. Anything would be better than a canned speech later. Thats not only lame as a president or leader its lame, really lame, as a person. This is half his problem - He isn't that smart - He isn't the best speaker - He is supposed to be a moral man - use that for G--s sake! Pretty much all he has left - if he's got that at all. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt Last edited by classicman; 12-27-2007 at 11:13 AM.

12-27-2007, 11:30 AM	#6
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Yes, the whole thing is sad. It's a tragedy for the Pak people. I don't understand all the politics there or all the history. When I was there to visit though, they were the nicest people anyone would care to meet. Rawalpindi is very friendly to foreigners and they were surely friendly and protective of me during my trip. There are a handful of people that I am still incontact with there. My communications with that country have have trickled to just a few e-mails a year now with some links to other interesting places that my adventures take me. Soon after arriving there, I started asking people about Musharraf. If they were supporters, did they approve of his policies and such things. Most of the people I talked to were supporters and approved of the assistance to the west. Those opinions may well have been politeness in my presence. In just 2 years the tide has changed for Musharraf. I'm guessing that this is moreso outside of Rawalpindi and Lahore. Peshawar and Karachi seemed to be hotspots for the fundimentalists. Quetta seemed to be a bit more extreme yet. I wish them the best though and I'd surely like to go back again someday. It's a Muslim country (or Pindi anyway ) that is surely tolerant to foreign Christians so long as they aren't there for missionary work. Last edited by slang; 12-27-2007 at 11:35 AM.

12-27-2007, 11:26 AM	#7
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Classicman, and I say this as a poster who rather likes you personally, shut the hell up. You're really asking the Leader Of The Free World to blurt. I don't think he should blurt. Allow statesmanship to be, and don't try honoring Benazir Bhutto's memory by getting hysterical. We saw enough of that to last a lifetime on the morning of 9/11 -- outrageous then, and I'm not going to take it now. Turning to the spark of all this: suicide attack by gunman who then kills twenty blowing himself into pink mist -- sounds to me like somebody's hostile to political reform in Islam, and Bhutto would have been a likely focal point. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 12-27-2007 at 11:33 AM.

12-27-2007, 01:22 PM	#8
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	UG, you might as well take your own advice. If Bush were 1/10 the leader you wesapouse, he would have said and done the right thing immediately. Unfortunately, he isn't smart enough or capable of forming a sincere sense of condolences from the people whom he supposedly represents, the American people. Then again maybe his silence did....... we'll see. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt Last edited by classicman; 12-27-2007 at 01:47 PM.

12-27-2007, 09:57 AM	#3
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Hey, put the gun down. He's not great with words. I'm sure his staff writer will come up with something appropriate.

12-27-2007, 11:07 AM	#5
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Ok then.

12-27-2007, 01:32 PM	#9
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	very shocking. She was definitely living dangerously, though. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

12-27-2007, 02:03 PM	#10
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	I think it's painfully clear that Musharraf was behind this assassination. First he locks up all the judges, then he delays elections and puts the country under martial law....then he refuses to increase security after being begged by Bhutto's people. He was about to lose the election so he took steps to make sure that didn't happen. The news just glossed over this, but at the same time Bhutto was killed, the other opposition leader in the election was also attacked. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

12-28-2007, 12:28 PM	#12
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	It's sort of ironic. We psyched ourselves up to go after a dictator posing as a democratic leader that we had helped stay in power because we thought he might be considering developing nuclear weapons. Meanwhile, in the second theater of operations, we prop up another dictator posing as a democratic leader who we know has nuclear weapons because he controls one of the borders and has promised to clean up an area where we know our enemies are located but where we cannot go at them directly so as not to offend this guy and because we are overstretched because of the going after the other dictator who didn't really have anything and was nowhere near as dangerous as the guy we are going to for help. I would personally like to thank this administration for providing the intelligence that led us to this exciting moment in world history. I was a mere toddler during the Cuban missile crisis and missed out on truly appreciating the fear and anxiety adults had over the possibility of world destruction. Our current geopolitical thrill ride hasn't quite reached that point yet, but I have high hopes that the general incompetence of our administration in any diplomacy that doesn't involve a few army divisions or a flight of stealth bombers will soon give us that adrenaline pumping moment that you normally have to pay $30 at an amusement park to experience. __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

12-28-2007, 04:09 PM	#13
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I'm still too pissed about Ms Bhutto to really be rational. Suffice to say that I fear that Pakistan is on the way down a really scummy political toilet, and that its descent into a Muslim Extremist safe harbor has greatly accelerated. I admired her very much, despite all claims of malfeasance and politically augmented money grabbing. She was a groundbreaker in the world of women's rights in Muslim society, an almost regally composed individual of surpassing beauty and charisma. I want the fuckers who are responsible for this murder skewered on rusty poles in the public square. Pakistan, as a defacto military dictatorship, is about five minutes from providing a nuclear warhead to the Taliban, Al Qaeda or some other fringe fucking towelheaded group whose only concern is the death of infidels. This shit scares me spitless. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

12-27-2007, 02:49 PM	#14
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I agree with your take on this Radar. Too many coincidences, not just on this, but the last few months also. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-27-2007, 03:41 PM	#15
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	'A Wrong Must Be Righted' excerpts from a Parade interview with Bhutto. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt Last edited by classicman; 12-27-2007 at 04:32 PM.

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