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11-07-2012, 10:25 AM | #1 |
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Future of Republican Party
Coming up to the election, there were two completely different worldviews and it is clear which side succeeded. At least to me, and I'm sure most people here, it was clear what happened: Republicans tried to force a radical narrative and stuck to with it even when there was zero substance behind that narrative. While it did have some power, that radical narrative obviously wasn't influential enough to win an election that Republicans should have won.
Looking at demographics, it is clear that the Republicans are fighting a losing battle. Assuming Obama comes out on top of the popular vote (seems like it), Democrats have won majority 5 out of the past 6 elections and this trend will only continue if nothing changes. From the Republican primary, it is also clear that the GOP is split between moderate and "tea party" factions. Romney, a weaker candidate in general, was forced to appeal to the radical side of the GOP to get financing and a united GOP, moving him too far to the right to get enough independent voters to win the election. Republicans have an upcoming choice in the four years: admit that your narrative is rejected by the majority of Americans and move to the center or double down and hold off the inevitable for another decade or so. I welcome a more moderate GOP since I do not want Democratic solely in control, and there are positive signs already that many Republicans will move in that direction. It will not be a clean shift, a "civil war" may break out, but I think it will be extremely interesting to see the political landscape around 2016. I agree with many others here that a Clinton versus Huntsman 2016 would be ideal. However, a lot can change in four years. Some interesting articles explaining why Republicans lost: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...n_party_s.html http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...eaders/264855/ Newt Gingrich admitting that the GOP needs to move in a different direction: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...p_ref=politics
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11-07-2012, 01:49 PM | #3 | |
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He sues states that try to pass voterID law. He won't support e-verify laws to reduce the influx of illegal immigrants, or give us decent border protection. Obama: "Under my plan, electric rates would necessarily skyrocket". THAT is NO Republican! |
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What do you expect from a Kenyan born Muslim? And why do you hate America Happy Monkey? WHY?
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11-07-2012, 09:21 PM | #6 | |
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11-08-2012, 12:02 PM | #7 | |
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On spread sheets, immigrants are an expense. In reality, immigrants are some of the best and loyal Americans - loyal as in moderates. Import more immigrants and export more rich wacko extremists (ie Limbaugh). That improves America. Four years ago, Republicans had meetings to decide their future. They decided to make America fail; to make Obama a one term president. We all witnessed their subversive actitivites in Congress led by extremists such as Majority Whip Eric Cantor. Well, the Republicans are now having that meeting again. Which group will they hate? Since extremists need a bogeyman to justify their existance. Or will Republican cast out the Tea Party and Fox News wackos to become more patriotic - more moderate? Adak demonstrates how wacko extremists think. And honest Adak would have posted logical (adult) replies. A wacko extremist must post insults. Because he is extremist, then he can only post emotionally. Extremists are the target audience of Limbaugh and Fox News. An honest Adak would have answered why Romney, who once called himself more liberal than Kennedy, is now a conservative. He cannot. That answer would expose why extremism exists. So he replied with insults. And then refused to answer the question. As an extremist, he insulted Happy Monkey rather than answer honestly - like an adult. Extremists find supporters among adults who still think like children. Who think emotionally rather than logically. It goes back to what Republicans must ask themselves in ongoing meetings. Does the party stop crucifying its patriotic moderates (ie Senators Lugar, Snow, Castle) to recruit only wacko extremists? Why did the party (in Delaware) replace Sen Castle with a witch? For the same reason, Romney, who once said he was more liberal than Kennedy, then *proved* he was an extremist conservative. The party encourages liars. Serious questions should be asked in those meetings. Last edited by tw; 11-08-2012 at 12:16 PM. |
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11-08-2012, 07:18 PM | #8 |
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Immigration is easy, make Puerto Rico a state. Then pretend all Hispanics are Puerto Ricans.
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11-07-2012, 01:35 PM | #10 |
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Boehner: (a paraphrase, but a very close one)
"the american people have made clear that there is no mandate for raising taxes" "instead of discussing what taxes we can raise, the president needs to come to us with a plan we can accept that discusses what reforms we can undertake to reduce the deficit." Boehner does not talk like a man who is willing to compromise, just as he did not compromise before. Whether or not this is a good negotiating strategy in other circumstances is debatable. In the context of the "fiscal cliff" The president, personally and politically, has little to lose, having won his last election ever, unlike Rep Boehner. His impetus to politick is far less than his motivation to get things done for the good of the nation. Honestly, I don't see much evidence on Boehner's part of a desire to do the nation's business. I see him as consistently obstructionist--not helpful, certainly not to the nation.
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"fewer loopholes and lower rates for all" and "it won't be solved by a lame duck congress" ?!? omg, he's disabled the brakes , locked the wheel and has both feet on the gas. guess where we're headed. jfc.
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Yeah, I dont understand why the most recent media reports concerning Boehner's post election statements have headlines like "Boehner Willing to Compromise." Yet when you read beyond the headline or stick around long enough to hear more than a few sound bites, Boehner's rhetoric remains unchanged, and he is still sprouting the same "won't give an inch," tea party inspired demands and threats.
I was bemused to read the following from ABC News under the heading “John Boehner Welcomes Big Deficit Deal, Pledges to Work with President Obama” Quote:
If that's Boehner's idea of compromise, I wonder what he does when he is in an actively oppositional mode? Call upon the newly equipped navy to help the Red States to invade the Blue ones? Last edited by SamIam; 11-07-2012 at 09:14 PM. |
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Nationalized health care hasn't happened in the US. Obamacare is pretty much all based on Republican proposals.
Cap and trade was invented by Republicans.
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