I hate the medical profession - Page 2

orthodoc · 03-13-2013, 08:53 PM

I'm not offended, V. That was my first day of work in a small northern town. But I feel like it just comes across as whiny self-justification to try to explain a doc's life to a largely hostile audience. Monster didn't ask my thoughts; she was venting her opinion that everyone in the medical profession is a fucking superiority-deluded asswipe. Why would she welcome vignettes from a doctor's life in her thread?

Thank you for being interested. I have a lot of stories, although I have to be careful especially about the ones from up north - when a place is small enough, people can be identified. For now - bad day, bad visit with the onco, haha yes everyone has bad doctor visits. But we're not all asswipes, not all the time, anyway.

monster · 03-13-2013, 08:53 PM

Is this an appropriate moment to quote Carly Simon?

sexobon · 03-13-2013, 09:18 PM

Monster, you put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up. Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em both together. You put the lime in the coconut, you're such a silly one. Put the lime in the coconut and you'll feel better. Put the lime in the coconut and call me in the morning.

orthodoc · 03-13-2013, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

(The ortho means she's right)

No. It has another meaning.

footfootfoot · 03-13-2013, 11:14 PM

You mean you're not hetero?

Undertoad · 03-14-2013, 06:00 AM

orthodoxy

orthodoc · 03-14-2013, 06:07 AM

Winners

Big Sarge · 03-14-2013, 07:28 AM

Ok. Officially confused. Orthodoc is a non-hetero Orthodox something????

orthodoc · 03-14-2013, 07:44 AM

Sorry to confuse. The ortho is for Orthodox. Non-heterodox just means Orthodox - nothing to do with preferences. I'm an Orthodox doc.

Nirvana · 03-14-2013, 09:52 AM

I no longer believe in modern medicine. I believe that despite all the super technology and elite bedside manner..., the greatest danger to your health is the doctor who practices modern medicine. I believe that modern medicine's treatments for disease are seldom effective, and that they're often more dangerous than the disease they're designed to treat. ...

I believe that more than ninety percent of modern medicine could disappear from the face of the earth - doctors, hospitals, drugs and equipment - and the effect on our health would be immediate and beneficial. I believe that modern medicine has gone too far, by using in everyday situations extreme treatments designed for critical conditions. Every minute of every day modern medicine goes too far, because modern medicine prides itself on going too far. ... the product of this [medical] factory is not health at all. So when you go to the doctor, you're seen not as a person who needs help with his or her health, but as a potential market for the medical factory's products.

JMO no offense against any person intended.

glatt · 03-14-2013, 10:09 AM

My wife felt slightly unwell the last couple days, but then yesterday felt pretty crummy. She suspected a UTI. So she phoned her doctor's office and spoke to the nurse practitioner there who sent her to a specific lab 5 minutes from our house. She had to hurry because it was going to close within the next 20 minutes. She got to the lab to leave a sample, and meanwhile the doctor's office had called in a prescription to the local pharmacy. She went to the pharmacy and got the antibiotics. Took her first one at 5pm last night, and felt much better this morning. If the results come back that the prescription needs to be altered, the doctor can do that, but it looks like it's working great and all she has to do is finish the course.

I love modern medicine. If we were cave men, she'd just have to suffer through it and hope for the best. Drinking lots of water would be her only option.

Nirvana · 03-14-2013, 10:33 AM

Real cranberry juice is just as effective and far less time, effort and $$$$ Cranberry capsules are even better.

orthodoc · 03-14-2013, 10:44 AM

If not for modern medicine I would have died in 1985 along with my oldest son. If not then, it would have been late in 1986 when I went septic with peritonitis.

Public health interventions have had enormous impact worldwide. Clean drinking water; immunizations; general hygiene and sewage disposal; more recently, reductions in tobacco use.

Acute care innovations that ironically came out of battlefield medicine have made things better, not worse: trauma principles and protocols save lives today that 50 years ago would have ended tragically.

We've adopted a consumer culture, sedentary lifestyle, and dietary habits that are killing us. The fallout of those factors is what we really need to address in the next few years, I believe.

Nirvana · 03-14-2013, 10:52 AM

I find it interesting that people jump up and down about antibiotics being in the food chain but they readily take them at the first hint of any minor ailment. You perfectly illustrated my point Glatt, about modern medicine going too far. Look at all the hoops your wife had to jump thru to find relief. [which certainly is your right to have whatever medical care that you want] Look at all the money that was paid for medicine, the doctor who never even saw her, the NP, your gas... I think cranberry caps are about $10 or less.

Happy Monkey · 03-14-2013, 10:54 AM

The difference between "modern medicine" and anything else is whether it has passed double-blind studies on its effectiveness.

Cranberry may help prevent UTI, but has not been shown effective as a treatment.

03-13-2013, 08:53 PM	#16
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	I'm not offended, V. That was my first day of work in a small northern town. But I feel like it just comes across as whiny self-justification to try to explain a doc's life to a largely hostile audience. Monster didn't ask my thoughts; she was venting her opinion that everyone in the medical profession is a fucking superiority-deluded asswipe. Why would she welcome vignettes from a doctor's life in her thread? Thank you for being interested. I have a lot of stories, although I have to be careful especially about the ones from up north - when a place is small enough, people can be identified. For now - bad day, bad visit with the onco, haha yes everyone has bad doctor visits. But we're not all asswipes, not all the time, anyway. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

03-13-2013, 08:53 PM	#17
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Is this an appropriate moment to quote Carly Simon? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

03-13-2013, 11:14 PM	#20
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	You mean you're not hetero? __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

03-14-2013, 06:07 AM	#22
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Winners __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

03-14-2013, 07:28 AM	#23
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Ok. Officially confused. Orthodoc is a non-hetero Orthodox something???? __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

03-13-2013, 09:18 PM	#18
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	Monster, you put the lime in the coconut and drink it all up. Put the lime in the coconut and drink 'em both together. You put the lime in the coconut, you're such a silly one. Put the lime in the coconut and you'll feel better. Put the lime in the coconut and call me in the morning.

03-14-2013, 06:00 AM	#21
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	orthodoxy

03-14-2013, 07:44 AM	#24
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Sorry to confuse. The ortho is for Orthodox. Non-heterodox just means Orthodox - nothing to do with preferences. I'm an Orthodox doc. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

03-14-2013, 09:52 AM	#25
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	I no longer believe in modern medicine. I believe that despite all the super technology and elite bedside manner..., the greatest danger to your health is the doctor who practices modern medicine. I believe that modern medicine's treatments for disease are seldom effective, and that they're often more dangerous than the disease they're designed to treat. ... I believe that more than ninety percent of modern medicine could disappear from the face of the earth - doctors, hospitals, drugs and equipment - and the effect on our health would be immediate and beneficial. I believe that modern medicine has gone too far, by using in everyday situations extreme treatments designed for critical conditions. Every minute of every day modern medicine goes too far, because modern medicine prides itself on going too far. ... the product of this [medical] factory is not health at all. So when you go to the doctor, you're seen not as a person who needs help with his or her health, but as a potential market for the medical factory's products. JMO no offense against any person intended. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-14-2013, 10:09 AM	#26
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	My wife felt slightly unwell the last couple days, but then yesterday felt pretty crummy. She suspected a UTI. So she phoned her doctor's office and spoke to the nurse practitioner there who sent her to a specific lab 5 minutes from our house. She had to hurry because it was going to close within the next 20 minutes. She got to the lab to leave a sample, and meanwhile the doctor's office had called in a prescription to the local pharmacy. She went to the pharmacy and got the antibiotics. Took her first one at 5pm last night, and felt much better this morning. If the results come back that the prescription needs to be altered, the doctor can do that, but it looks like it's working great and all she has to do is finish the course. I love modern medicine. If we were cave men, she'd just have to suffer through it and hope for the best. Drinking lots of water would be her only option.

03-14-2013, 10:33 AM	#27
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	Real cranberry juice is just as effective and far less time, effort and $$$$ Cranberry capsules are even better. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-14-2013, 10:44 AM	#28
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	If not for modern medicine I would have died in 1985 along with my oldest son. If not then, it would have been late in 1986 when I went septic with peritonitis. Public health interventions have had enormous impact worldwide. Clean drinking water; immunizations; general hygiene and sewage disposal; more recently, reductions in tobacco use. Acute care innovations that ironically came out of battlefield medicine have made things better, not worse: trauma principles and protocols save lives today that 50 years ago would have ended tragically. We've adopted a consumer culture, sedentary lifestyle, and dietary habits that are killing us. The fallout of those factors is what we really need to address in the next few years, I believe. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

03-14-2013, 10:52 AM	#29
Nirvana Back in 10 Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,684	I find it interesting that people jump up and down about antibiotics being in the food chain but they readily take them at the first hint of any minor ailment. You perfectly illustrated my point Glatt, about modern medicine going too far. Look at all the hoops your wife had to jump thru to find relief. [which certainly is your right to have whatever medical care that you want] Look at all the money that was paid for medicine, the doctor who never even saw her, the NP, your gas... I think cranberry caps are about $10 or less. __________________ Speaking simply... do not confuse this with having a simple mind.

03-14-2013, 10:54 AM	#30
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	The difference between "modern medicine" and anything else is whether it has passed double-blind studies on its effectiveness. Cranberry may help prevent UTI, but has not been shown effective as a treatment. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

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