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Old 04-18-2016, 06:00 PM   #1
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I unfriended Flint. He'll still have to come here, if he wants to complain at me, and about me, at the same time.

~ because people love it when you do that to them ~

as for the rest of it

one day i realized that nobody asked for my opinion in the first place

so now, i try to not give an opinion unless asked in earnest

and i try not to give opinions about things I am not informed about

it is VERY hard. and self-editing is ruinous.
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Old 04-18-2016, 10:42 PM   #2
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I unfriended Flint..........
I try not to do that but in this case I just might do that as well. I don't mind what he did, I mind the way he did it. That was pretty fucked up in my book.

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I try to keep the word 'should' out of my mouth.

grasshopper here is still working on that one master
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Old 04-18-2016, 06:57 PM   #3
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I try to keep the word 'should' out of my mouth.
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Old 04-19-2016, 12:06 AM   #4
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I thought this was another clone thread. Then I remembered that the names were changed... Thread title as well.
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Old 04-19-2016, 12:29 AM   #5
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Does bacefook have anything comparable to being sent to Coventry so you can continue draining energy from undesirables and make the world a better place for others? Anyone? Anyone?
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Old 04-19-2016, 11:27 AM   #6
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I welcome your contempt.

I don't expect to change the opinions of trans-phobic bigots, but I will point out any logical fallacies in the trite, disingenuous memes they post. Unless of course, they block me from being able to comment on their posts, like F**d S***d the cowardly bigot did, and then lied about not doing. Unfriending me is what F**d should have done in the first place--although I will point out that I never felt the need to unfriend F**d. You see, like I keep saying, I think that a free, unfettered exchange of ideas--especially when people disagree--is really a great thing.

I haven't been on FB for that long, but I'm noticing that people can use the settings to curate a false little world where nobody ever disagrees with them. I'm now aware that having a fairly Moderated site is quite a luxury.
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Old 04-19-2016, 12:11 PM   #7
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I haven't been on FB for that long, but I'm noticing that people can use the settings to curate a false little world where nobody ever disagrees with them. I'm now aware that having a fairly Moderated site is quite a luxury.
See post number two of this thread.
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Old 04-19-2016, 11:29 AM   #8
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Limey is still F*** Sch*** in post 8.
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Old 04-19-2016, 05:17 PM   #9
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Limey is still F*** Sch*** in post 8.
Thank you I******* M***** for remembering that my post #9 made no sense with post #8 left like that.
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Old 04-19-2016, 09:15 PM   #10
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Being on the right side of history is just picking the winning side, because the winners write history without regard for truth. The winners and losers will pass on to their decedents that they were in the right, making a permanent division on that topic. That's why there are still people claiming the masters and slaves were bros, who hung out on the veranda together after work. There are probably a few people who believe we shouldn't have gotten into either world war.. but probably most of them are German though.
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Old 04-20-2016, 08:37 AM   #11
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Being on the right side of history is just picking the winning side, because the winners write history without regard for truth. The winners and losers will pass on to their decedents that they were in the right, making a permanent division on that topic. That's why there are still people claiming the masters and slaves were bros, who hung out on the veranda together after work. There are probably a few people who believe we shouldn't have gotten into either world war.. but probably most of them are German though.
Ask anyone in China. Tank man at Tienanmen Square never happened.

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Old 04-20-2016, 08:50 AM   #12
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... your views will not change mine. ever.
That's the definition of closed minded.
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Old 04-19-2016, 12:16 PM   #13
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I don't expect to change the opinions of trans-phobic bigots, but I will point out any logical fallacies in the trite, disingenuous memes they post. Unless of course, they block me from being able to comment on their posts
In real life, when people come up to you and say things you figure are wrong, do you say:

"You're an asshole, but you're also wrong. Since I'm smarter than you, let me explain why you're wrong."

If you said that to anyone. ANYONE. In "real life". What would you expect to have happen?

If someone said that to YOU. What would you do? What if it was a stranger? What if it was an acquaintance? What if it was a friend?

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I'm noticing that people can use the settings to curate a false little world where nobody ever disagrees with them
The Cellar was DESIGNED to be the discussion you wanted. That was my original intent; free range discussion. For years it worked that way. It has now stopped being that, because as social media bloomed, people found they could go elsewhere and curate their false little world where nobody ever disagrees with them.

All political people have now left the Cellar because they got pushback and found it uncomfortable. It happened from the right. It happened from the left.

This is where we are today. And now, as what I find to be a final insult, you have used the Cellar, not to HAVE that discussion, but to yell at other people for not having that discussion ELSEWHERE.
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Old 04-19-2016, 12:33 PM   #14
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All political people have now left the Cellar because they got pushback and found it uncomfortable. It happened from the right. It happened from the left.

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Tap tap tap... Is this thing on??

O the irony, UT must have put me on Ignore.
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Old 04-19-2016, 12:26 PM   #15
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Dang, you seem pretty pissed, dude. I'm sorry that it feels like I am part of a trend that (rightly) upsets you. Honestly I'm pretty new to FB, and most of the time I've been away from the Cellar I wasn't posting anywhere. I've made a conscious effort to post more on FB the last few years, to keep up with family back home. I don't think I've ever posted anything political on FB until this current primary season. That's all this is.
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