Evolution is quicker than they thought

[Jeboduuza]

Sure, Bruce. Sure.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire

Unless you're on this message board, eh?

That dude is not reading anyone else's posts.


I do respect my parents, I do not respect a great deal of what they do and say. AGAIN, you cannot read.

Also, evolution and Darwin don't have ANYTHING to do with atheism... where do you make that connection? I wish you answered questions... that would be funny.
Most Catholic and Episcopal schools teach evolution.
Atheism has nothing to do with science, I know many who do not give a shit about it at all.
All atheism is, is a lack of belief in god.
You are an atheist, do you believe Thor is the one true god of thunder, really?
Then you are an atheist to those who do.
Everyone is an atheist to someone else who is religious.

[Jeboduuza]

Listen I don't agree with creationists and the faithful. But I do not see any valid reason as to put them down. I mean there's enough religious wars between religions.

Does atheism and science really need to get involved?
The golden rule Bruce, do unto others as you want others to do unto you. I want the faithful to respect me and see me as a valid human being, just different from them. I will give them the same respect I expect from them. "Oh but they don't give you respect!" Yeah, the intolerant ones don't. I see past them, to the decent hearted faithful who respect me for my beliefs just as I do to them.

[Jeboduuza]

Catholic schools. Teaching evolution. My best friend went to a Catholic school, so I know they don't. Are you fucking kidding me, rk, please tell me you are. That a private religious institution, teaches the ways of heresy. Really.

[Jeboduuza]

Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Atheism has nothing to do with science, I know many who do not give a shit about it at all.
All atheism is, is a lack of belief in god.
You are an atheist, do you believe Thor is the one true god of thunder, really?
Then you are an atheist to those who do.
Everyone is an atheist to someone else who is religious.

Since you edited and added it I wanted to address it. Merriam Webster Online.
Main Entry: athe·ist
Pronunciation: 'A-thE-ist
Function: noun
: one who believes that there is no deity
And to all my knowledge it means you do not believe in a higher power, period. Sounds like you are just twisting the word atheist. So if you claim to be an evolutionist, then are you an atheist too?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Jeboduuza

Listen I don't agree with creationists and the faithful. But I do not see any valid reason as to put them down. I mean there's enough religious wars between religions.

I'm glad you made the distinction between creationists and the faithful. While there is an overlap, the creationists are really a small part of the other. The only ones I'm attacking are the small percentage of the creationists that are directly and intensionally trying to discredit science. That's what, 1% of 10% of the faithful that have been educated in science? Actually I'm not attacking, but counterattacking the idiots that have attacked science.

Does atheism and science really need to get involved?

Atheism doesn't enter into it at all, where in hell do you get that from? Does science need to defend itself from creationists that are trying to discredit it? Hell yes, tooth and nail.

The golden rule Bruce, do unto others as you want others to do unto you. I want the faithful to respect me and see me as a valid human being, just different from them. I will give them the same respect I expect from them. "Oh but they don't give you respect!" Yeah, the intolerant ones don't. I see past them, to the decent hearted faithful who respect me for my beliefs just as I do to them.

Respect you? Of course I do, after last night I'll respect you for ever.
Seriously though, don't confuse who is the aggressor. Scientists have not attacked the faithful. It's that small percentage of creationists, the rabid ones, the ones trying to discredit science, the ones trying to further their agenda through the public schools, that are the aggressors.

Listen I don't agree with creationists and the faithful. But I do not see any valid reason as to put them down.

Cite where I, or anyone, put religious people down.
I am sick of your slander.

The only thing I have said that even comes close to a put-down is that you don't read. Not can't but don't.
But the evidence is clear on that.

Atheism and science are not involved, you are the only person that tries to link the two, they are not.

My best friend went to a Catholic school

When?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

OK, I follow you. But the groups did change and diverge in response to outside stimuli.

Right, that's the distinction I was trying to make. Groups evolve in reaction to outside stimuli, and individuals mutate with no particular direction.

Hmmmm... none of my questions from ANY of my posts answered.
None of the challenges to his slander and baseless accusations against myself and others replied to.
Imagine that?

Got very quiet didn't it?

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Right, that's the distinction I was trying to make. Groups evolve in reaction to outside stimuli, and individuals mutate with no particular direction.

Exactly, but individual mutation, if advantageous, ends-up in the whole population through time.
Both are mutations, just different forms and expressions, and both are evolution.
If it changes the genome, it is mutation, if it is adopted by the whole, or a portion which becomes a separate whole, it is evolution.

[jinx]

Jeb, I think religion is silly and destructive - how come you're not being tolerant of my beliefs?? Why aren't you defending my right to say what I think??

[wolf]

Jeb, I might listen too you, but your signature is too loud.

[Griff]

Originally Posted by Jeboduuza

Catholic schools. Teaching evolution. My best friend went to a Catholic school, so I know they don't. Are you fucking kidding me, rk, please tell me you are. That a private religious institution, teaches the ways of heresy. Really.

Wrong. They teach the science of evolution at my daughters' Catholic school. There may be a backward program out there, but creationism is not a Catholic doctrine.