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01-17-2010, 01:41 PM | #16 |
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A lie makes it halfway around the world before the truth even has its boots on.
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Oh, and 'freedom of speech' covers porn, so, freedom of speech rocks.
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01-17-2010, 04:36 PM | #22 | |
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01-17-2010, 07:50 PM | #23 |
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Burning a flag is an action, not speech. If we want freedom of action, that's a whole different kettle of fish.
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01-17-2010, 08:16 PM | #24 |
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The courts have ruled it's freedom of expression, not action.
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That is your definition Monster, not how the law is interpreted. We've gone over the Freedom of speech thing here ad nauseum. As much as I love uniformed argument, I wish people would read the fucking amendment before they blather on about how to interpret it and enforce it.
I'm not speaking to you specifically, Monster. More like to everyone in this thread. It's the same with the BooYah! flag wavers who don't know the first thing about flag handling protocol, or priests that diddle little boys. (Hint: you take it down at nigth and replace it before it is shredded. If the flag is that important to you, then learn how to treat it. As for priests, remember that bit about celibacy? that extends to little boys, if being a priest is so important to you , they fucking act like a priest, and finally... RTFM before you fucking weigh in on freedom of speech. A few good places to start if you want to have a clue about your so called freedom of speech: http://www.csulb.edu/~jvancamp/freedom1.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom...irst_Amendment http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/95-815.pdf But hey, isn't that what freedom of speech is all about? Your right to say whatever crosses your mind? Or is it? Read up and find out. "Free Speech" or Protected speech is actually extremely limited in this country. There's a whole heap of shit you can't say. you'd be surprised, really.
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However, the law is interpreted by people. People who sometime disagree. Their intepretations are based on their opinions...are you with me so far...? personally, I have no problem with flag-burning. It's a piece of material. But what if I choose to "express" myself by putting a bullet in someone? Should i be allowed that freedom too?
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Yes he was. FIGHT! FIGHT!
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you can leave it up at night, but it must be illuminated so you CAN see it gallantly streaming. Jus' sayin'
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I thought you did when you said Burning a flag is an action not speech.
Symbolic Speech “The First Amendment literally forbids the abridgment only of ‘speech,’ but we have long recognized that its protection does not end at the spoken or written word.”136 Thus wrote the Supreme Court when it held that a statute prohibiting flag desecration violated the First Amendment. Such a statute is not content-neutral if it is designed to protect “a perceived need to preserve the flag’s status as a symbol of our Nation and certain national ideals.”137 By contrast, the Court upheld a federal statute that made it a crime to burn a draft card, finding that the statute served “the Government’s substantial interest in assuring the continuing availability of issued Selective Service certificates,” and imposed only an “appropriately narrow” incidental restriction of speech.138 Even if Congress’s purpose in enacting the statute had been tosuppress freedom of speech, “this Court will not strike down an otherwise constitutional statute on the basis of an alleged illicit legislative motive.”139 In 1992, in R.A.V. v. City of St. Paul, the Supreme Court struck down an ordinance that prohibited the placing on public or private property of a symbol, such as “a burning cross or Nazi swastika, which one knows or has reasonable grounds to know arouses anger, alarm or resentment in others, on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender.”140 Read literally, this ordinance would clearly violate the First Amendment, because, “[i]f there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the Government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable.”141 In this case, however, the Minnesota Supreme Court had construed the ordinance to apply only to conduct that amounted to fighting words. Therefore, the question for the Supreme Court was whether the ordinance, construed to apply only to fighting words, was constitutional. The Court held that it was not, because, although fighting words may be proscribed “because of their constitutionally proscribable content,” they may not “be made the vehicles for content discrimination unrelated to their distinctively proscribable content.”142 Thus, the government may proscribe fighting words, but it may not make the further content discrimination of proscribing particular fighting words on the basis of hostility “towards the underlying message expressed.”143 In this case, the ordinance banned fighting words that insult “on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender,” but not “for example, on the basis of political affiliation, union membership, or homosexuality.... The First Amendment does not permit St. Paul to impose special prohibitions on those speakers who express views on disfavored subjects.”144 This decision does not, of course, preclude prosecution for illegal conduct that may accompany cross burning, such as trespass, arson, or threats. As the Court put it: “St. Paul has sufficient means at its disposal to prevent such behavior without adding the First Amendment to the fire.”145 Shooting someone is not protected speech. Read all about it here: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/95-815.pdf
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