Grandparent and grandchildren

Alluvial · 12-13-2013, 01:35 PM

I couldn't decide if this was a Relationship thing or a Parenting thing.

Anyway, I have two little grandsons who live on the East Coast. They are 3 yrs old and 1 yr old. I feel obligated to keep up a good relationship with them because that's what Grannies do.

My problem is their dad - my step son. In the past few years his political beliefs have gotten more and more extreme. It used to be that we could disagree and yet have a normal conversation. It's not that way any more. I haven't said anything to him (or his wife) but I have a great desire to pull away from them emotionally. I don't want confrontation, I'd like to walk away and leave them be - but I'd also like for them to leave me be.

However, that's not going to fit well with a loving, doting Granny, is it? I find myself cool towards the little boys because of this wedge that's between their Dad and myself.

I'm wondering, is it possible to have a good relationship with grandchildren in spite of a poor relationship with their parents? Should I 'fake' feelings of closeness? What do you think?

xoxoxoBruce · 12-13-2013, 01:39 PM

"feelings of closeness"?
Isn't polite sufficient for your step-son, the close at your want with the grandkids?

Alluvial · 12-13-2013, 01:40 PM

Yes. Well. No. I'm torn.

Too close to the situation to see the path out, I think.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-13-2013, 01:45 PM

I see, your head and heart are having a domestic dispute. I better stay out of it or they both might kick my ass.

Alluvial · 12-13-2013, 01:47 PM

lol !

I believe the kid in me wants to take my marbles and go home, i.e. wash my hands of all of them.

The Mom in me is chastising me for that, saying it's not the little boys' fault and I should continue to stay involved in their lives.

The teenager in me is saying "This is gonna SUCK."

:p

xoxoxoBruce · 12-13-2013, 01:50 PM

Well, you seem to have a clear picture of the problem, they say that's half the battle.

Gravdigr · 12-13-2013, 04:33 PM

Why/how would you and your stepson's political views affect/effect your feelings toward your step-grandchildren?

Honestly, I just don't get how the entire population of the country is so bent on division.

Clodfobble · 12-13-2013, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Alluvial

It used to be that we could disagree and yet have a normal conversation. It's not that way any more.

Do you mean that he is berating you, or aggressively pushing his beliefs at every opportunity? Or is it that you simply find them so repulsive that you can't be around him even when the conversation is about other things?

If he's truly being verbally abusive or deliberately antagonizing you, I can see the need to get away. But if you just really, really hate his beliefs, I think you are the one being unreasonable. One of the lessons I have repeatedly taught to my own children is that you don't talk about politics or religion in polite company. It's just not productive. All civil people ought to be able to ignore such disagreements for the sake of family.

But like I said, if he's the one who keeps bringing it up, that's a different issue. I'd bring it up with his wife or other relatives before cutting all ties, though, to see if maybe he doesn't understand how off-putting his behavior is, and give him a chance to behave more tolerably.

Alluvial · 12-13-2013, 07:21 PM

Excellent point, and I agree that people should be able to avoid disagreeable conversations for the sake of family.

I have not had much communication with him for about a year, but I have tried to speak to him about how pushing these things on me turns me off. The smart thing to do, I reckon, is to give him time to change.

Alluvial · 12-13-2013, 07:25 PM

Gravdigr, he's pushy about his views and doesn't know when to back off or slow down when talking about them. He mistakenly takes his rantings for "discussion". He's also one of these who thinks if he talks louder he will be more convincing.

Last winter he was convinced that the government was going to come take his guns and ammunition away, and/or that there was going to be some reason that he would need all the firepower and bullets he could get. He was going to buy a lot of ammo but they needed the money for bills and groceries - his wife was able to eventually talk him out of it. He seriously was going to buy ammo before groceries. That disturbed me.

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-13-2013, 08:11 PM

It's not extremism to limit one's trust in the State, especially in times when it is enlarging. It is merely Jeffersonian. The trick is to be healthily skeptical; unhealthily is no good either. Yet, Mr. Obama is even less concerned with the rights and liberties of persons not among his cronies than Mr. Clinton was, and Mr. Clinton viewed the Constitution less as a guide to his behavior than as a stumbling-block to his ambition. I did not vote for either one of them.

Alluvial · 12-13-2013, 10:00 PM

Agreed, some skepticism is a good thing; nobody should blindly trust government. In the case of this ammunition thing, I think his priorities were out of order. It's not like he didn't have *any* - he did.

Clodfobble · 12-14-2013, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Alluvial

I have not had much communication with him for about a year, but I have tried to speak to him about how pushing these things on me turns me off. The smart thing to do, I reckon, is to give him time to change.

Or just wait until a Republican is in office again.

Then it will be the other half of the country's turn to be pissed off all the time. In the meantime, when he does bring his beliefs up, The Miss Manners response would be something suitably vague that he can misinterpret however he wants.

"Obama wants to take our guns!!"
"Oh don't even get me started! I can't even think about that subject without getting all worked up again... Tell me, how are the kids doing?"

monster · 12-15-2013, 12:07 AM

Cut and run. They're 1 and 3, they'll be fine. They won't remember you to miss you. It shouldn't be an obligation. Remember when you were a kid being made to dress up and go and visit granny/some distant relative/ It's no fun. If it's no fun for granny either....just why?

xoxoxoBruce · 12-15-2013, 09:45 AM

Not always, I had one that was the torture you describe, but the other was very cool and always fun.

12-13-2013, 01:35 PM	#1
Alluvial Phenomenologist Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Central Mississippi Posts: 270	Grandparent and grandchildren I couldn't decide if this was a Relationship thing or a Parenting thing. Anyway, I have two little grandsons who live on the East Coast. They are 3 yrs old and 1 yr old. I feel obligated to keep up a good relationship with them because that's what Grannies do. My problem is their dad - my step son. In the past few years his political beliefs have gotten more and more extreme. It used to be that we could disagree and yet have a normal conversation. It's not that way any more. I haven't said anything to him (or his wife) but I have a great desire to pull away from them emotionally. I don't want confrontation, I'd like to walk away and leave them be - but I'd also like for them to leave me be. However, that's not going to fit well with a loving, doting Granny, is it? I find myself cool towards the little boys because of this wedge that's between their Dad and myself. I'm wondering, is it possible to have a good relationship with grandchildren in spite of a poor relationship with their parents? Should I 'fake' feelings of closeness? What do you think? __________________ “My grandfather always said that living is like licking honey off a thorn.” - Louis Adamic

12-13-2013, 01:39 PM	#2
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	"feelings of closeness"? Isn't polite sufficient for your step-son, the close at your want with the grandkids? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-13-2013, 01:40 PM	#3
Alluvial Phenomenologist Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Central Mississippi Posts: 270	Yes. Well. No. I'm torn. Too close to the situation to see the path out, I think. __________________ “My grandfather always said that living is like licking honey off a thorn.” - Louis Adamic

12-13-2013, 01:45 PM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I see, your head and heart are having a domestic dispute. I better stay out of it or they both might kick my ass. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-13-2013, 01:47 PM	#5
Alluvial Phenomenologist Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Central Mississippi Posts: 270	lol ! I believe the kid in me wants to take my marbles and go home, i.e. wash my hands of all of them. The Mom in me is chastising me for that, saying it's not the little boys' fault and I should continue to stay involved in their lives. The teenager in me is saying "This is gonna SUCK." :p __________________ “My grandfather always said that living is like licking honey off a thorn.” - Louis Adamic

12-13-2013, 01:50 PM	#6
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Well, you seem to have a clear picture of the problem, they say that's half the battle. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-13-2013, 04:33 PM	#7
Gravdigr The Un-Tuckian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Central...KY that is Posts: 39,517	Why/how would you and your stepson's political views affect/effect your feelings toward your step-grandchildren? Honestly, I just don't get how the entire population of the country is so bent on division. __________________ These statements have not been evaluated by the FDA, EPA, FBI, DEA, CDC, or FDIC. These statements are not intended to diagnose, cause, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. If you feel you have been harmed/offended by, or, disagree with any of the above statements or images, please feel free to fuck right off.

12-13-2013, 07:21 PM	#9
Alluvial Phenomenologist Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Central Mississippi Posts: 270	Excellent point, and I agree that people should be able to avoid disagreeable conversations for the sake of family. I have not had much communication with him for about a year, but I have tried to speak to him about how pushing these things on me turns me off. The smart thing to do, I reckon, is to give him time to change. __________________ “My grandfather always said that living is like licking honey off a thorn.” - Louis Adamic

12-13-2013, 07:25 PM	#10
Alluvial Phenomenologist Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Central Mississippi Posts: 270	Gravdigr, he's pushy about his views and doesn't know when to back off or slow down when talking about them. He mistakenly takes his rantings for "discussion". He's also one of these who thinks if he talks louder he will be more convincing. Last winter he was convinced that the government was going to come take his guns and ammunition away, and/or that there was going to be some reason that he would need all the firepower and bullets he could get. He was going to buy a lot of ammo but they needed the money for bills and groceries - his wife was able to eventually talk him out of it. He seriously was going to buy ammo before groceries. That disturbed me. __________________ “My grandfather always said that living is like licking honey off a thorn.” - Louis Adamic

12-13-2013, 08:11 PM	#11
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	It's not extremism to limit one's trust in the State, especially in times when it is enlarging. It is merely Jeffersonian. The trick is to be healthily skeptical; unhealthily is no good either. Yet, Mr. Obama is even less concerned with the rights and liberties of persons not among his cronies than Mr. Clinton was, and Mr. Clinton viewed the Constitution less as a guide to his behavior than as a stumbling-block to his ambition. I did not vote for either one of them. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

12-13-2013, 10:00 PM	#12
Alluvial Phenomenologist Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Central Mississippi Posts: 270	Agreed, some skepticism is a good thing; nobody should blindly trust government. In the case of this ammunition thing, I think his priorities were out of order. It's not like he didn't have any - he did. __________________ “My grandfather always said that living is like licking honey off a thorn.” - Louis Adamic

12-15-2013, 12:07 AM	#14
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Cut and run. They're 1 and 3, they'll be fine. They won't remember you to miss you. It shouldn't be an obligation. Remember when you were a kid being made to dress up and go and visit granny/some distant relative/ It's no fun. If it's no fun for granny either....just why? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

12-15-2013, 09:45 AM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Not always, I had one that was the torture you describe, but the other was very cool and always fun. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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