Fast and Furious - Page 11

Griff · 06-25-2012, 06:48 AM

The obvious answer is so they don't get any evidence, but it's possible it is just arrogance. They've largely replaced compromise on legislation with broadened enforcement or lack thereof through signing statements or hidden activities. This is not a recipe for open government or democracy. This is not just an Obama problem, it has been with us a long time.

xoxoxoBruce · 06-26-2012, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanaC

In which case......wtf use his executive privelege?

To head off distracting fishing expeditions.

Happy Monkey · 06-26-2012, 06:16 PM

If the White House agrees with Holder that the redacted documents and portions of documents were redacted properly, but Issa held Holder in contempt anyway (and I don't expect that the White House would be likely to feel any other way), then Executive Privilege is a way to shut down the contempt charge.

DanaC · 06-26-2012, 06:22 PM

Ahh...ok. I sort of half understand that.

fargon · 06-26-2012, 06:44 PM

Holder will be thrown to the wolves, and Obama will come out stink'in like a rose.

BigV · 06-27-2012, 01:16 AM

Is that from the Onion?

Happy Monkey · 06-28-2012, 12:56 PM

I wonder if the White House is rope-a-doping Issa.

Lamplighter · 06-28-2012, 02:20 PM

Good find, MH

That article is long, complicated, and essentially a-political,
so Fortune and CNN should be appreciated for publishing it.
It is certainly an interesting read.

"You can't tell the players without a program"

I can't say I've digested it after just one read, so I'll try again later.

classicman · 06-28-2012, 02:44 PM

The investigative author was on CNN last night with Soledad O'Brien subbing for Anderson Cooper.
When asked why Holder admitted guns walked in 2011, and why the letter was retracted, her response was "I don't know."
Aside from that, The tool from the R's guy doing the rebuttal interview was AWFUL.

Lamplighter · 06-28-2012, 03:00 PM

The TV news crawl says the House will vote on the Holder Contempt thing this afternoon.

What then ?

classicman · 06-28-2012, 03:04 PM

It'll be 0-2 today for the R's. and a huge defeat (as I already predicted) to follow in Nov.
I just don't think they'll get anything. The admin has had over a year to bury whatever,
if anything even existed in the first place.

Lamplighter · 06-29-2012, 06:55 PM

On Google News today...

Quote:

In a letter to House Speaker John Boehner, Holder's deputy said
that the attorney general properly withheld the documents under "executive privilege,"
which allows President Barack Obama to keep private documents on internal government discussions.

"The department will not bring the Congressional contempt citation before a grand jury
or take any other action to prosecute the attorney general," said Deputy Attorney General James Cole.

Mr Issa, it's your move...

richlevy · 06-30-2012, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamplighter

Politics supercedes all else...

NRA Statement on Fast & Furious

Ammoland
posted June 21, 2012

Ah yes, the NRA. I especially enjoyed Mr. LaPierre's instructions on aiming for the head when dealing with federal agents. Since he's still the executive VP of the NRA, I guess they agree.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-05-2012, 01:36 AM

WAYNE LA PIERRE EXEC VP, $673,617
CHRIS W COX EXEC DIR, $487,176
WILSON H PHILLIPS JR TREASURER, $407,192
KAYNE B ROBINSON EXEC DIR, GENERAL, $413,317
EDWARD J LAND JR SECRETARY, $350,001

(doesn't include the President or the three 1st V.P.'s)

Ms. Sexton · 07-29-2012, 11:39 AM

We will never know

06-25-2012, 06:48 AM	#151
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	The obvious answer is so they don't get any evidence, but it's possible it is just arrogance. They've largely replaced compromise on legislation with broadened enforcement or lack thereof through signing statements or hidden activities. This is not a recipe for open government or democracy. This is not just an Obama problem, it has been with us a long time. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

06-26-2012, 06:16 PM	#153
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	If the White House agrees with Holder that the redacted documents and portions of documents were redacted properly, but Issa held Holder in contempt anyway (and I don't expect that the White House would be likely to feel any other way), then Executive Privilege is a way to shut down the contempt charge. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics] Last edited by Happy Monkey; 06-26-2012 at 06:49 PM.

06-26-2012, 06:44 PM	#155
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06-28-2012, 12:56 PM	#157
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I wonder if the White House is rope-a-doping Issa. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

06-28-2012, 02:20 PM	#158
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	Good find, MH That article is long, complicated, and essentially a-political, so Fortune and CNN should be appreciated for publishing it. It is certainly an interesting read. "You can't tell the players without a program" I can't say I've digested it after just one read, so I'll try again later.

06-28-2012, 02:44 PM	#159
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	The investigative author was on CNN last night with Soledad O'Brien subbing for Anderson Cooper. When asked why Holder admitted guns walked in 2011, and why the letter was retracted, her response was "I don't know." Aside from that, The tool from the R's guy doing the rebuttal interview was AWFUL. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

06-28-2012, 03:00 PM	#160
Lamplighter Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Bottom lands of the Missoula floods Posts: 6,402	The TV news crawl says the House will vote on the Holder Contempt thing this afternoon. What then ?

06-28-2012, 03:04 PM	#161
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	It'll be 0-2 today for the R's. and a huge defeat (as I already predicted) to follow in Nov. I just don't think they'll get anything. The admin has had over a year to bury whatever, if anything even existed in the first place. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

07-05-2012, 01:36 AM	#164
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	WAYNE LA PIERRE EXEC VP, $673,617 CHRIS W COX EXEC DIR, $487,176 WILSON H PHILLIPS JR TREASURER, $407,192 KAYNE B ROBINSON EXEC DIR, GENERAL, $413,317 EDWARD J LAND JR SECRETARY, $350,001 (doesn't include the President or the three 1st V.P.'s) __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-29-2012, 11:39 AM	#165
Ms. Sexton Banned Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 7	We will never know

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