What would Martin Niemoller think about Arizona? - Page 2

Spexxvet · 04-26-2010, 04:09 PM

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Belgium

But they're Belgians
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France
France has had a national ID card since 1940.

Wasn't France occupied by the Nazis then?
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Germany

Nazis, what do you expect?
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Greece

Men are allowed to keep theirs in their boyfriends' rectums.
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Italy

Because if they didn't have IDs, they'd forget their own names.
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China

Come on. In China, it's so easy to get lost in the crowd that IDs don't matter. And everybody has the same description - eyes: brown, hair: brown
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Costa Rica

Who cares?
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Chile

No, kinda warm.

Do all those countries have national healthcare, too?

TheMercenary · 04-26-2010, 05:20 PM

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Who cares?

jinx · 04-26-2010, 06:36 PM

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"A PERSON IS PRESUMED TO NOT BE AN ALIEN WHO IS
35 UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IF THE PERSON PROVIDES TO THE LAW...

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf

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Ah, ok thanks, that link is really helpful.
The part you quoted starts here though (bold mine).

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20 B. FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW
21 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW
22 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF
23 THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO
24 IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE
25 MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON,
26 EXCEPT IF THE DETERMINATION MAY HINDER OR OBSTRUCT AN INVESTIGATION. ANY
27 PERSON WHO IS ARRESTED SHALL HAVE THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS DETERMINED
28 BEFORE THE PERSON IS RELEASED. THE PERSON'S IMMIGRATION STATUS SHALL BE
29 VERIFIED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PURSUANT TO 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION
30 1373(c). A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A COUNTY,
31 CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE MAY NOT SOLELY
32 CONSIDER RACE, COLOR OR NATIONAL ORIGIN IN IMPLEMENTING THE REQUIREMENTS OF
33 THIS SUBSECTION EXCEPT TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY THE UNITED STATES OR
34 ARIZONA CONSTITUTION.

So I guess it depends on these 'rules' that they haven't made yet will be the determining factor. And either they will conform with the 4th amendment or they won't, and it will be struck down.

I totally agree with the rest of what I've quoted here but would rather see the law fail than be unconstitutional.

spudcon · 04-26-2010, 07:08 PM

United States
All citizens are required to have a Social Security card from childhood, and at age 18 all males are required to register with the United States Selective Service.

Cloud · 04-26-2010, 07:39 PM

but you don't have to carry your government docs with you at all times

Sheldonrs · 04-26-2010, 08:01 PM

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have no idea what your point is about this neemroller guy, but I suspect he'd think -- man, it's hot here!

My point is if people other than those targeted by this law don't speak out against it, pretty soon, it won't be long before we get targeted by similar laws and there won't be anyone around to speak out for us.

lumberjim · 04-26-2010, 08:05 PM

But the spirit of this law is not to invade our privacy, or force us to 'carry papers'. It's to make it easier for Illegal Aliens to be caught. Because they are Illegal. They can't be 'persecuted' like the poem above's author.... they don't have any rights in this country if they are here illegally. Logically speaking, not practically of course.

classicman · 04-26-2010, 08:40 PM

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Logically speaking, not practically of course.

Therein lies the rub. At least they are doing something. That is more than the the past administrations have done. But again, until we control our own borders nothing will really change.

TheMercenary · 04-26-2010, 08:42 PM

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but you don't have to carry your government docs with you at all times

I do. But I do not really support the idea of everyone carrying national ID cards. But I do think all illegals should be registered or deported.

xoxoxoBruce · 04-26-2010, 08:50 PM

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My point is if people other than those targeted by this law don't speak out against it, pretty soon, it won't be long before we get targeted by similar laws and there won't be anyone around to speak out for us.

Regardless what happens in this case, that scenario is in the future for everyone in this country. As the world population increases, and with it competition for resources, and the radical Islamic factions get more aggressive, it'll become a necessity.

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...Because they are Illegal. They can't be 'persecuted' like the poem above's author.... they don't have any rights in this country if they are here illegally. Logically speaking, not practically of course.

As soon as they sneak on the American soil, the scumbags have all kinds of constitutional protections.

lumberjim · 04-26-2010, 11:04 PM

then again....if we adopted the practice of gruesomely amputating the left hand of any captured illegal alien, and sending them home to tell the tale......

TheMercenary · 04-26-2010, 11:17 PM

A group of well placed munitions would fix the issue and funnel the immigrants.

Happy Monkey · 04-27-2010, 08:49 AM

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But the spirit of this law is not to invade our privacy, or force us to 'carry papers'.

Not "us", just people worried a cop might think they seem illegal. If you look real legal, you don't need papers.

glatt · 04-27-2010, 09:24 AM

We're going to the Grand Canyon in August. Does this new law mean we need to travel with our passports to Arizona? I can't find anything anywhere that says what Arizona considers to be proof of citizenship. We're white and speak English well, but it will be summer time and we might all be a little tan by then.

Do we need our passports? If I don't have my passports, and a cop pulls me over for speeding or something, are they legally able to detain us all for a few days while we dig up proof that we are legal?

jinx · 04-27-2010, 10:07 AM

Driver's license should do it if you get pulled over for speeding glatt. And unless your kids start screaming about you not being their father/parents they shouldn't arouse suspicion...

04-26-2010, 07:08 PM	#19
spudcon Beware of potatoes Join Date: May 2007 Location: Upstate NY, USA Posts: 2,078	United States All citizens are required to have a Social Security card from childhood, and at age 18 all males are required to register with the United States Selective Service. __________________ "I believe that being despised by the despicable is as good as being admired by the admirable."

04-26-2010, 07:39 PM	#20
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	but you don't have to carry your government docs with you at all times __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

04-26-2010, 08:05 PM	#22
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	But the spirit of this law is not to invade our privacy, or force us to 'carry papers'. It's to make it easier for Illegal Aliens to be caught. Because they are Illegal. They can't be 'persecuted' like the poem above's author.... they don't have any rights in this country if they are here illegally. Logically speaking, not practically of course. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

04-26-2010, 11:04 PM	#26
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	then again....if we adopted the practice of gruesomely amputating the left hand of any captured illegal alien, and sending them home to tell the tale...... __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

04-27-2010, 10:07 AM	#30
jinx Come on, cat. Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: general vicinity of Philadelphia area Posts: 7,013	Driver's license should do it if you get pulled over for speeding glatt. And unless your kids start screaming about you not being their father/parents they shouldn't arouse suspicion... __________________ Crying won't help you, praying won't do you no good.

04-26-2010, 11:17 PM	#27
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	A group of well placed munitions would fix the issue and funnel the immigrants.

04-27-2010, 09:24 AM	#29
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	We're going to the Grand Canyon in August. Does this new law mean we need to travel with our passports to Arizona? I can't find anything anywhere that says what Arizona considers to be proof of citizenship. We're white and speak English well, but it will be summer time and we might all be a little tan by then. Do we need our passports? If I don't have my passports, and a cop pulls me over for speeding or something, are they legally able to detain us all for a few days while we dig up proof that we are legal?

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