when faith fails

[Pi]

Actually I'd love to know what He's thinking about us humans...

[Clodfobble]

I'd be willing to bet my soul it isn't "Gosh, they all deserve white PT Cruisers..."

[ladysycamore]

Originally posted by lumberjim
update

she called. "did it get approved?"

"no, ma'am, I'm sorry, it didn;t"

"well is there another finance director i could speak to?"

"no, i'm the boss. you could talk to my assistant if you'd like"

" oh. well, can I talk to my salesman?"

"sure. hold on"

~maybe shecould call jesus~

I was thinking the same thing!

update update.

so, [salesman] what did she have to say to you?

she says she wants to sue for religious discrimination.

this should be fun.

she's a good christian, though, so god will forgive her for being a letiginous untcay.

asshole

My goodness, are you serious? For the love of..well, y'know.

damn keep us posted.

Pi pondered:
"Actually I'd love to know what He's thinking about us humans..."

Probably thinking about how badly "we" have fucked things up over time and when He's going to come back to make "us" pay dearly.


*Juuuust joking around folks, so please don't make this into some big old tirade about God not being real, etc.*

[smoothmoniker]

This just makes me sick to my stomach. Here's the rundown on the theology. There is a whole segment of the Christian church that believes in a "Prosperity Gospel." It basically breaks down to this - they take all of the Old Testament promises that God made to the nation of Israel about receiving a nation, wealth, and material blessings if they obeyed the law. They didn't, but that's another story. These people start with the assumption that the church is the new Israel, so all of the of Old Testament promises to Israel now get applied to christians. The key to unlocking all of these wonderful promises? Why, faith of course.

Here's where it goes hinky. It's not faith in the ability of God to do these things, it's faith in faith itself as the key. It's not God's will that gives you blessing, it's your own faith that makes it happen. That's why they won't hear anything negative - it tears down their faith, and then it won't happen. That's the tragedy of a self-referential theology; nothing can disprove it. When the car loan isn't approved, she'll believe that it was her lack of faith that resulted in her not having a PT cruiser, so the next time she wants something, she'll just try to believe it even harder.

It might be instructive for Prosperity Gospel people to read through the lives of some of the early heroes of the faith. Paul, who never had a home and lived off of his work as a tent-maker his whole life. John, who died alone on an island with nothing in the world but his writings. Jesus, whose "material blessings" consisted of a cloak and sandals. If faith was the "magic" that works out to material things, surely these guys could have "faithed" themselves some nicer circumstances.

And here's my theology for the day. Sometimes I love God and hate his people.

-sm

[Pi]

Oh these are beautiful words sm...
Actually I remember that the whole New Testament is about living peacefully and all these peacefull men didn't have a lot of belongings and they didn't wan't more and more or a white PT Cruiser (should google a foto, must be a fantastic car ?!)

[perth]

Originally posted by Pi
(should google a foto, must be a fantastic car ?!)

Ugly as sin, but that's just my opinion.

[Pi]

You mean like this :
Actually I don't love them too. But it's a car, it don't need to be beautifull. Just take you from A to B, and be fast and have an MP3-Player and some place for my Coke, a TV, Coffee-Machine, Toaster, some nice chicks (like NbN's), make cool sounds (my alarm should be Wagner's Ritt der Walküren), don't use too much gasoil, have a superwoover-soundsystem and all the other cool stuff... (don't let me be car-engeneer)

[Pie]

I can't be the only one who had the following running through my head while reading this thread:

"Mercedes Benz"
Janis Joplin

Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends.
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a color TV?
Dialing For Dollars is trying to find me.
I wait for delivery each day until three,
So oh Lord, won’t you buy me a color TV?

Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a night on the town?
I’m counting on you, Lord, please don’t let me down.
Prove that you love me and buy the next round,
Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a night on the town?

Everybody!
Oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz?
My friends all drive Porsches, I must make amends,
Worked hard all my lifetime, no help from my friends,
So oh Lord, won’t you buy me a Mercedes Benz?

That’s it!

[perth]

Pi, dont take this wrong, but I'm changing my user title to "superwoover". the mere thought of saying that word caused me to giggle uncontrollably.

[blue]

Originally posted by lumberjim
ok......god called, he said to turn the snapper head down. he's sick of her using his name for every goddamn thing in her life.....

i paraphrase. he didnt actually say "goddamn"

edit: this was my 2999th post. next one is 3000........stay tuned. later tonight, i think

oooooo!!!! I can't wait! You better not fuck this up!

[lumberjim]

Originally posted by blue58


oooooo!!!! I can't wait! You better not fuck this up!

you asked for it. and thanks to your post, it looks like you had forewarning.

This is my 3000th post debacle.


edit: fixed the broken link

[blue]

Yeah, it does make me look psychic.....especially about you fucking it up. btw Jinx told me to ask you about the other night but I haven't thought of a way to ask diplomatically.

[lumberjim]

so you thought you would ask me on a public forum?

it was great, as usual.

[blue]

Well yeah, uhh..sorry.

Feel free to pm me the details.

[jinx]

Originally posted by lumberjim
.....and i did fuck it up, putz.

You know.... that's why they call it dope , Jim.