Dilemma of Goodness

[Flint]

Originally Posted by SteveDallas

Question: In considering attending a performance of the Philadelphia Orchestra, and a Philadelphia Eagles game, which would you consider "blue collar" and which would you consider "WASP"?

Would you change your answer if you knew that a ticket to an Eagles game costs about four times the cheapest ticket to a Philadelphia Orchestra concert?

So... poor people are poor because they spend their money on dumb shit?

[SteveDallas]

Originally Posted by Flint

So... poor people are poor because they spend their money on dumb shit?

In some cases, I'm sure that's part of the explanation.

But what does that have to do with my example? I never suggested either activity was "dumb".

[Flint]

ur dum

[freshnesschronic]

Steve I'm just saying things that are supposedly exclusively for the higher class, equestrian stuff, polo and horse races aren't better than pick up basketball games, Friday night poker or video game tournaments. I didn't have any intentions on money handling.

[SteveDallas]

I was just pointing out that whether stuff is perceived as "elite" or "not-elite" doesn't always have to do with how much it costs, but a perception of it.

But you've got a point--something like polo requires an infrastructure, but to go to a public event you just have to lay out cash for a ticket.

[xoxoxoBruce]

And cough up millions in tax money for the venue.

[freshnesschronic]

Very true, Steve and Bruce. But that's leisure in our American society.

Hate it or love it, like The Game says.

[Jeboduuza]

So who are we, as Americans, to judge other countries and cultures that perceive leisure in a whole different light. Rastafarians use cannabis for leisure and religious/spiritual use. Are we condemning their way of life for a legitimate reason? Or does it just "seem" out of place with American values and culture.

The ancient Romans culture of leisure was......mass human slaughter! What do you call coliseums and gladiator games? Were they below our own perception of leisure? Or is it all to be taken as the same human necessity?

Leisure is a proven human necessity.

[xoxoxoBruce]

We're just telling the Rastafarians and Romans, don't bring it here.

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

Very true, Steve and Bruce. But that's leisure in our American society.

Hate it or love it, like The Game says.

No, that's leisure for some of American society. But we all have to pay for it.

Do you think the City of Coatesville's abuse of eminent domain, taking a family's farm, paying for it with taxpayer's money, to build a fucking golf course for the tiny minority of taxpayers, is right?

Or the City of Philadelphia spending hundreds of millions of taxpayer's money, to make a few millionaires richer, is fair to the millions of taxpayers that don't give a rat's ass about sports?

[Jeboduuza]

Bruce I respect what you're saying, but I'm confused why you're saying it. To counter me or fresh?

I was discussing how in my opinion leisure in any form cannot be judged based on a culture; therefore should not be judged at all. Because leisure is leisure for its own sake.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Yes the usual, normal, acceptable leisure, varies with different cultures and is important to that culture.
I was taking it a step further. We should accept different cultures doing their own thing, but we have a right to judge when they want to bring their thing here. I'd use bullfighting as an example of that.

Then I addressed Freshchronic's, that's the game like it or not... which is strangely reminiscent to, love it or leave it.

Clear?

[freshnesschronic]

Actually it's a song title, Hate it or Love it, by the artist The Game.
Meh.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Not familiar with the song or group so I misunderstood. Still not sure what your point was, then.

[Jeboduuza]

Today I did weed but first volunteered at the library. Which leisure is more valuable? To me? To society, and finally... to you?