1/26/2005: Hindu swastika - Page 3

xoxoxoBruce · 01-27-2005, 03:37 AM

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Yes, I get it. That's their old symbol. It just strikes me as horribly naive that they think the rest of the world will want to adopt their symbol over the much more significant meaning it has taken on since the thousands of years they've used it.

Since there's no link, we're debating UT's take on the situation and really aren't sure what the Hindu's intentions are. It maybe they just want to use the swastika without the world recoiling in horror as they did with the prince. We witnessed the reaction to the prince but we don't know what kind of heat the hindus get over it.

But yes, I know the western world recoils in horror and that's why I made a defensive statement here.

axlrosen · 01-27-2005, 09:57 AM

Yes, I think we're all actually mostly in agreement here - we just weren't sure what this campaign is trying to do. So I Googled around and found that this campaign actually is in response to the aftermath of Prince Harry's outfit. People are calling for a Europe-wide ban on displaying swastikas, and Hindus are trying to educate people that the symbol has other meanings than Nazism.

"You find it in houses, temples and in portraits of Hindu gods. A swastika is even painted on the head of a baby who's just had his first hair-cutting sacrament."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4188141.stm

Undertoad · 01-27-2005, 10:06 AM

That's good work ax, thanks!

Trilby · 01-27-2005, 10:23 AM

Is it ok if I want to fly my Confederate flag?*

*I don't have one, I just want to know if it's ok. I may get one. You never know what you might buy on QVC after a few 7&7's.

Beestie · 01-27-2005, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Is it ok if I want to fly my Confederate flag?

I was not aware that the Confederate flag was used for anything prior to its use as the Confederate flag that would provide a rationale for flying it other than support for the Confederacy. Enlighten me.

Trilby · 01-27-2005, 11:25 AM

Some people feel it's a symbol of slavery. Or, support of slavery.

warch · 01-27-2005, 11:57 AM

Multiple meanings for graphic symbols based on context is a pretty valuable thing to learn. Its literacy. And thousands of years of peaceful and continued use of this mark by non western groups is good to know. Evil will always find or appropriate symbols to aid in their marketing plans.

Troubleshooter · 01-27-2005, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Is it ok if I want to fly my Confederate flag?*

*I don't have one, I just want to know if it's ok. I may get one. You never know what you might buy on QVC after a few 7&7's.

I'm sensing an attempt at humor here, but since I don't know if it is poor humor or ignorance we'll try this.

Which one?

Stars and Bars the first governmental flag of the CSA

Second governmental flag:

Third governmental flag:

Confederate Battle Flag:

Confederate Naval Jack: mistaken as the flag of the CSA

"Bonnie Blue" the one you never hear about:

Trilby · 01-27-2005, 01:33 PM

Well, TS, I suppose since it's me, it would have to be both, wouldn't it?

I like the Bonnie Blue. Simple, yet magestic.

Lighten up or get laid or something, will you?

Beestie · 01-27-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

I like the Bonnie Blue. Simple, yet magestic.

Nothing about the Dallas Cowboys is majestic. Except, perhaps, Quitsy Carter's cocaine budget.

Happy Monkey · 01-27-2005, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

I'm sensing an attempt at humor here, but since I don't know if it is poor humor or ignorance we'll try this.

Which one?

Not knowing which flag is meant, unless otherwise specified, is deliberate ignorance.

Trilby · 01-27-2005, 01:54 PM

Obviously I meant the Confederate Battle Flag! Sheesh! The one they fly around here in certain neighborhoods during certain anniversary's of certain battles! The battle of Chickamauga, etc.

NOBODY flies the damn Bonnie Blue for crissakes! Not in Ohio, anyway. You fella's continue to fight the good fight, though. Be deadly serious. It's good for your cardiac health. And chicks really dig it.

Happy Monkey · 01-27-2005, 02:23 PM

Just to be clear, I was saying that Troubleshooter pretending he didn't know which flag you were talking about was deliberate ignorance. Though perhaps I should have called it feigned ignorance. Everyone knows which flag is meant by "Confederate Flag". Bringing up other flags is just an attempt (successful in this case) to deflect a conversation into minutia.

Trilby · 01-27-2005, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Just to be clear, I was saying that Troubleshooter pretending he didn't know which flag you were talking about was deliberate ignorance. Though perhaps I should have called it feigned ignorance. Everyone knows which flag is meant by "Confederate Flag". Bringing up other flags is just an attempt (successful in this case) to deflect a conversation into minutia.

Oh.

I am really trying not to be so sensitive. I think TS either hates me or he has a wicked crush on me coz he's always trying to make me look bad and I've nothing but the UTMOST respect for him and his snarky ways!

And, confidential to TS-the above was a little joke, honey. A joke.

Troubleshooter · 01-27-2005, 02:40 PM

I love minutia. Minutia makes the world go 'round.

I was sort of paralleling the whole point about the differences in the various swastikas with the, rather common, mistake about the flags, no attempt at a threadjack.

I'm what you would call, to borrow a phrase from E. E. Doc Smith, a "high tension thinker. I run wide open throttle most of the time. Sometimes it's a benefit, sometimes it's a pain in the ass. See LJ's anxiety thread...

01-27-2005, 10:23 AM	#34
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Is it ok if I want to fly my Confederate flag?* *I don't have one, I just want to know if it's ok. I may get one. You never know what you might buy on QVC after a few 7&7's. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

01-27-2005, 11:25 AM	#36
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Some people feel it's a symbol of slavery. Or, support of slavery. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

01-27-2005, 01:33 PM	#39
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Well, TS, I suppose since it's me, it would have to be both, wouldn't it? I like the Bonnie Blue. Simple, yet magestic. Lighten up or get laid or something, will you? __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

01-27-2005, 01:54 PM	#42
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Obviously I meant the Confederate Battle Flag! Sheesh! The one they fly around here in certain neighborhoods during certain anniversary's of certain battles! The battle of Chickamauga, etc. NOBODY flies the damn Bonnie Blue for crissakes! Not in Ohio, anyway. You fella's continue to fight the good fight, though. Be deadly serious. It's good for your cardiac health. And chicks really dig it. __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum Last edited by Trilby; 01-27-2005 at 01:59 PM.

01-27-2005, 02:23 PM	#43
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Just to be clear, I was saying that Troubleshooter pretending he didn't know which flag you were talking about was deliberate ignorance. Though perhaps I should have called it feigned ignorance. Everyone knows which flag is meant by "Confederate Flag". Bringing up other flags is just an attempt (successful in this case) to deflect a conversation into minutia. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

01-27-2005, 09:57 AM	#32
axlrosen Major Inhabitant Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 125	Yes, I think we're all actually mostly in agreement here - we just weren't sure what this campaign is trying to do. So I Googled around and found that this campaign actually is in response to the aftermath of Prince Harry's outfit. People are calling for a Europe-wide ban on displaying swastikas, and Hindus are trying to educate people that the symbol has other meanings than Nazism. "You find it in houses, temples and in portraits of Hindu gods. A swastika is even painted on the head of a baby who's just had his first hair-cutting sacrament." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4188141.stm

01-27-2005, 10:06 AM	#33
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	That's good work ax, thanks!

01-27-2005, 11:57 AM	#37
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	Multiple meanings for graphic symbols based on context is a pretty valuable thing to learn. Its literacy. And thousands of years of peaceful and continued use of this mark by non western groups is good to know. Evil will always find or appropriate symbols to aid in their marketing plans.

01-27-2005, 02:40 PM	#45
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I love minutia. Minutia makes the world go 'round. I was sort of paralleling the whole point about the differences in the various swastikas with the, rather common, mistake about the flags, no attempt at a threadjack. I'm what you would call, to borrow a phrase from E. E. Doc Smith, a "high tension thinker. I run wide open throttle most of the time. Sometimes it's a benefit, sometimes it's a pain in the ass. See LJ's anxiety thread... __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

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