Transgender Second Grader - Page 3

xoxoxoBruce · 02-18-2008, 10:17 PM

A boy named Sue.

monster · 02-18-2008, 10:28 PM

A song from the past.

There's a boy names Sasha on my son's soccer team. He has long blonde hair. Most people assume he's a girl. He doesn't care. He corrects them and moves on. He plays hockey and roughhouses with the rest, but he's not overly aggressive. Nor is he particularly "girly". he's just a kid. A nice kid. A well adjusted, well balanced kid. I wonder how he'd be if his parents had forced a short haircut onto him and drilled him in "the differences between girl and boy behaviours". It's time to discard these gender stereotypes.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-18-2008, 10:47 PM

Sasha doesn't wear dresses and tell people he's a girl.

monster · 02-18-2008, 10:56 PM

Did Sue?

xoxoxoBruce · 02-18-2008, 10:58 PM

No, but he had to learn to fight.

Clodfobble · 02-18-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

It's time to discard these gender stereotypes.

Which is precisely why it's silly for him (or his parents, or his teachers, or whoever) to make such an effort to switch to an overbearingly "female" stereotype. Better to say "Being a man doesn't have to mean X" than "No, no, Y means being female so obviously I am a woman."

classicman · 02-19-2008, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Your comfort in talking to your kids is less important than someone else's freedom to express themselves or be themselves.

..as long as that freedom of expression is not harmful ... to others. I (strike me now) agree with radar too.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-19-2008, 10:23 AM

So the school and staff giving special treatment to one kid doesn't infringe on the rights of others?

TheMercenary · 02-19-2008, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

So the school and staff giving special treatment to one kid doesn't infringe on the rights of others?

That's how I read it. What a load of crap.

Happy Monkey · 02-19-2008, 01:20 PM

Which special treatment infringes which rights?

Sheldonrs · 02-19-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

I can't stand anyone who says, "What will I say to my kids about...."

Who gives a shit about what you say to your fucking kids? Your comfort in talking to your kids is less important than someone else's freedom to express themselves or be themselves.

Agreed! I still have a hard time believing parents are "uncomfortable" about teaching their kids about sex.
Would they feel more comfortable dropping a note in the kids coffin when he/she dies from AIDS?

And just to point out, being transgendered does not mean someone feels the need to ACT like the other gender. They know, and feel like, they ARE the other gender. So telling the kids to just dress like they have been even though it's not what they need to feel right within themselves is just a load of un-informed crap.

DanaC · 02-19-2008, 02:14 PM

I'm with Sheldon on this one. If this child genuinely feels deep down that s/he is female, then telling him/her to conform to masculinity is a dangerous thing, psychologically. What do you tell the child? That you know they feel (know) that they're a girl, but they're wrong? That every fibre of their being is wrong? That their essential sense of self is wrong? Or worse, that they may be right but that this is something they should hide? That they should be wary of letting people see this essential truth about themself?

Christ what a psychological minefield. I admire the parents. It cannot be an easy thing to go with the flow, knowing the potential for bullying and extreme reactions. But, frankly, I suspect this kid will be well supported by the parents and from the sound of it the school too.

freshnesschronic · 02-19-2008, 02:42 PM

Man this article is big after only one day, I wish I had saw it yesterday.

I don't really know how to feel about this. This is something I've never experienced in school or heard about on the news. The thing about unisex bathrooms though....in my honest opinion that is just weird and well, unnecessary. I feel a person can be whatever gender their mind tells them, but biologically the sex they are should determine where they use the bathroom in grade school. I'd raise an eye if I saw "Dani" the "Tranny" (excuse my language) using the child urinal next to me with a skirt and leggings but I bet the little girls would be even more shocked to see Dani coming out of one of the stalls to wash his hands. Physical features are pretty evident to the sex of children at mid elementary school age.

It's very bold of the parents to encourage transgender dressing in public elementary school. Maybe, too bold? Consider home school? Aww, shucks I really don't know.

HungLikeJesus · 02-19-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

... The thing about unisex bathrooms though....in my honest opinion that is just weird and well, unnecessary. ...

All the bathrooms in my house are unisex.

freshnesschronic · 02-19-2008, 02:46 PM

Your house is not a public institution, though.

02-18-2008, 10:17 PM	#31
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	A boy named Sue. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-18-2008, 10:28 PM	#32
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	A song from the past. There's a boy names Sasha on my son's soccer team. He has long blonde hair. Most people assume he's a girl. He doesn't care. He corrects them and moves on. He plays hockey and roughhouses with the rest, but he's not overly aggressive. Nor is he particularly "girly". he's just a kid. A nice kid. A well adjusted, well balanced kid. I wonder how he'd be if his parents had forced a short haircut onto him and drilled him in "the differences between girl and boy behaviours". It's time to discard these gender stereotypes. __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-18-2008, 10:47 PM	#33
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Sasha doesn't wear dresses and tell people he's a girl. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-18-2008, 10:56 PM	#34
monster I hear them call the tide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Perpetual Chaos Posts: 30,852	Did Sue? __________________ The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity Amelia Earhart

02-18-2008, 10:58 PM	#35
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	No, but he had to learn to fight. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-19-2008, 10:23 AM	#38
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	So the school and staff giving special treatment to one kid doesn't infringe on the rights of others? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

02-19-2008, 01:20 PM	#40
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Which special treatment infringes which rights? __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

02-19-2008, 02:14 PM	#42
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I'm with Sheldon on this one. If this child genuinely feels deep down that s/he is female, then telling him/her to conform to masculinity is a dangerous thing, psychologically. What do you tell the child? That you know they feel (know) that they're a girl, but they're wrong? That every fibre of their being is wrong? That their essential sense of self is wrong? Or worse, that they may be right but that this is something they should hide? That they should be wary of letting people see this essential truth about themself? Christ what a psychological minefield. I admire the parents. It cannot be an easy thing to go with the flow, knowing the potential for bullying and extreme reactions. But, frankly, I suspect this kid will be well supported by the parents and from the sound of it the school too.

02-19-2008, 02:42 PM	#43
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Man this article is big after only one day, I wish I had saw it yesterday. I don't really know how to feel about this. This is something I've never experienced in school or heard about on the news. The thing about unisex bathrooms though....in my honest opinion that is just weird and well, unnecessary. I feel a person can be whatever gender their mind tells them, but biologically the sex they are should determine where they use the bathroom in grade school. I'd raise an eye if I saw "Dani" the "Tranny" (excuse my language) using the child urinal next to me with a skirt and leggings but I bet the little girls would be even more shocked to see Dani coming out of one of the stalls to wash his hands. Physical features are pretty evident to the sex of children at mid elementary school age. It's very bold of the parents to encourage transgender dressing in public elementary school. Maybe, too bold? Consider home school? Aww, shucks I really don't know.

02-19-2008, 02:46 PM	#45
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Your house is not a public institution, though.

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