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Undertoad · 05-09-2005, 04:09 PM

I tried changing the world. It turned out the world didn't want, nor did it need changing. When I look at what I did, I feel a little foolish. I thought I was helping when I was just grasping at straws. Next time I'm going to make sure I get it right.

breakingnews · 05-09-2005, 04:38 PM

Thanks bruce, for bringing to light a larger point in the discussion.

I think this whole situation has to do mostly with coming to terms with reality. People have opinions and they're going to show, and with so much open interpretation out there you're going to believe what you want to think.

I don't agree entirely that mainstream media has lost all of its credibility, but I especially don't think that readers can turn to the mass of blogs out there as "credible" news sources, or at least more credible than professional outlets.

Blogs are viral webs of opinions based on opinions based on more opinions. It's exhausting to read through thousands of words of mudslinging to find whatever "truth" you're looking for, and, as I think UT pointed out early on, there is a blog out there for you, however left, right, up or down you lean. Filters might work for educated readers, but I think - for at least the next 10-20 years or so - the average person isn't going to exert that kind of effort. Most of those who do will find two or three blogs that complement their opinions and feed bullshit from there anyway.

Bloggers challenge the media because they can do things the pro outlets can't. They can openly preach an agenda, they can be inflammatory, they can expand on hypotheticals based solely on rumors. They are also completely at liberty to - and often do - omit facts or whatever that don't work in their favor. Suddenly that's become a more respected form of news analysis? I struggle with that. But is it needed to advance discussion? Of course.

Yes, editorial crusading is awful, and mainstream media (mostly TV) needs lots of retooling. The errors and bias are committed by relatively few, and it's usually in the sake of trying to get a scoop. But don't think the major outlets aren't there to challenge each other, too - trust me, I hear plenty every day about doing what it takes to beat the big papers and wire services by proving that their facts are inaccurate or downright wrong.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-09-2005, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

I tried changing the world. It turned out the world didn't want, nor did it need changing. When I look at what I did, I feel a little foolish. I thought I was helping when I was just grasping at straws. Next time I'm going to make sure I get it right.

OK, then is personal success measured in change (which ain't likely) or in the effort to try, to do the "right" thing, to make an effort?
Seems to me the double belly buttons and JW's seem quite content with preaching regardless of success.
Radar's liberals keep butting the wall of reality quite happily.
You older folks might remember the Brooklyn Dodger fans chant, "Wait till next year".
Maybe these people fall into the "fat, dumb and happy" category but I'm not so sure that's a bad thing.
At least I've got the fat and dumb down.

Undertoad · 05-09-2005, 09:30 PM

I believe my role on this earth is to try to improve the lot of humanity somehow. I don't have to succeed, all I have to do is try.

Trilby · 05-10-2005, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I believe my role on this earth is to try to improve the lot of humanity somehow. I don't have to succeed, all I have to do is try.

Not to veer wildly off topic, but I believe that, too. There's got to be moderation though. You can kill yourself trying.

wolf · 05-10-2005, 11:10 AM

The object, I think, is to die trying. Understanding that success is not required should reduce the number of people that kill themselves.

russotto · 05-10-2005, 11:45 AM

Personally, I feel the best way the lot of humanity could be improved is through targeted assassinations of some of the worst offenders against it. Spammers, persistent trolls, dictators, record company executives, linguistics professors with delusions of political genius, etc. Only problem is

1) It's hard to implement
2) I'm pretty sure I'm on the list.

lookout123 · 05-10-2005, 11:48 AM

russotto - i'll second your emotion if you will kindly add one category to the hitlist: Lobbiests.

thank you.

glatt · 05-10-2005, 11:57 AM

If you put lobbyists on the list, you need to put the members of the organizations that hire lobbyists on the list too. Only fair. The lobbyists are just doing what they are told.

jaguar · 05-10-2005, 12:33 PM

so were the soldiers in auschwitz.

lookout123 · 05-10-2005, 01:12 PM

i guess i was looking at the whole lobbiest organizational chart. i'm into mass extermination. it helps with population control.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-10-2005, 07:11 PM

In the arena of blogs vs traditional media.......I got an email today from the L.A.Times.

Quote:

The Los Angeles Times today launched the first stage of a year-long initiative to improve and expand the newspaper’s Internet offerings, with a special emphasis on utility for Southern Californians.

Quote:

In coming months, latimes.com will add original Web features and voices that will turn the site's sections into major online destinations. As part of that effort, latimes.com will create venues for community interaction across the board -- in news, sports, local issues and activities, entertainment and classifieds marketplaces.

I guess they feel moving the paper onto the web is enough. Same shit different venue.

busterb · 05-10-2005, 07:47 PM

I got the same e-mail, I guess hit delete. BTW they let me out today. Five wonderfull nights of what ever.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-10-2005, 09:01 PM

Welcome back, Buster.

wolf · 05-11-2005, 12:37 AM

Congrats on the running head start. I hope it takes you to some good places, buster!!

05-09-2005, 04:38 PM	#32
breakingnews Q_Q Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere in between Posts: 995	Thanks bruce, for bringing to light a larger point in the discussion. I think this whole situation has to do mostly with coming to terms with reality. People have opinions and they're going to show, and with so much open interpretation out there you're going to believe what you want to think. I don't agree entirely that mainstream media has lost all of its credibility, but I especially don't think that readers can turn to the mass of blogs out there as "credible" news sources, or at least more credible than professional outlets. Blogs are viral webs of opinions based on opinions based on more opinions. It's exhausting to read through thousands of words of mudslinging to find whatever "truth" you're looking for, and, as I think UT pointed out early on, there is a blog out there for you, however left, right, up or down you lean. Filters might work for educated readers, but I think - for at least the next 10-20 years or so - the average person isn't going to exert that kind of effort. Most of those who do will find two or three blogs that complement their opinions and feed bullshit from there anyway. Bloggers challenge the media because they can do things the pro outlets can't. They can openly preach an agenda, they can be inflammatory, they can expand on hypotheticals based solely on rumors. They are also completely at liberty to - and often do - omit facts or whatever that don't work in their favor. Suddenly that's become a more respected form of news analysis? I struggle with that. But is it needed to advance discussion? Of course. Yes, editorial crusading is awful, and mainstream media (mostly TV) needs lots of retooling. The errors and bias are committed by relatively few, and it's usually in the sake of trying to get a scoop. But don't think the major outlets aren't there to challenge each other, too - trust me, I hear plenty every day about doing what it takes to beat the big papers and wire services by proving that their facts are inaccurate or downright wrong. __________________ Gone crazy, be back never.

05-10-2005, 11:10 AM	#36
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	The object, I think, is to die trying. Understanding that success is not required should reduce the number of people that kill themselves. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

05-10-2005, 11:48 AM	#38
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	russotto - i'll second your emotion if you will kindly add one category to the hitlist: Lobbiests. thank you. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

05-10-2005, 12:33 PM	#40
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	so were the soldiers in auschwitz. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

05-10-2005, 01:12 PM	#41
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i guess i was looking at the whole lobbiest organizational chart. i'm into mass extermination. it helps with population control. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

05-09-2005, 04:09 PM	#31
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I tried changing the world. It turned out the world didn't want, nor did it need changing. When I look at what I did, I feel a little foolish. I thought I was helping when I was just grasping at straws. Next time I'm going to make sure I get it right.

05-09-2005, 09:30 PM	#34
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	I believe my role on this earth is to try to improve the lot of humanity somehow. I don't have to succeed, all I have to do is try.

05-10-2005, 11:45 AM	#37
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	Personally, I feel the best way the lot of humanity could be improved is through targeted assassinations of some of the worst offenders against it. Spammers, persistent trolls, dictators, record company executives, linguistics professors with delusions of political genius, etc. Only problem is 1) It's hard to implement 2) I'm pretty sure I'm on the list.

05-10-2005, 11:57 AM	#39
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	If you put lobbyists on the list, you need to put the members of the organizations that hire lobbyists on the list too. Only fair. The lobbyists are just doing what they are told.

05-10-2005, 07:47 PM	#43
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	I got the same e-mail, I guess hit delete. BTW they let me out today. Five wonderfull nights of what ever. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

05-10-2005, 09:01 PM	#44
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Welcome back, Buster. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-11-2005, 12:37 AM	#45
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Congrats on the running head start. I hope it takes you to some good places, buster!! __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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