John Kerry taking dubious page from Howard Dean's book - Page 3

MaggieL · 11-01-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

I'd like to see the Bush supporters try to spin this one.

Thinking of new ways to harm America doesn't necessarily mean you're going to implement them. You might just possibly have to figure out what the threats are before you can prevent someone else from implementing them.

Happy Monkey · 11-01-2006, 03:23 PM

That's just the spin his handlers came up with after the fact.

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 04:41 PM

If more people did educate themselves about what's really going on in the world then people like Bush wouldn't be in power.

Whether it was a joke or not doesn't change the fact that what Kerry said was a fact.

Spexxvet · 11-01-2006, 04:43 PM

People who vote for Bush may know what's going on in the world, and that's the way they like it. Sad.

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 04:45 PM

Well you never know. Maybe if the military get sick of being used as cannon fodder they may decide to instigate a coupe, then you'll all be glad you're armed and dangerous...cept those of you who don't own guns...then you'll just be dangerous, cause deadly force doesn't always come from a gun.

Radar · 11-01-2006, 05:40 PM

I agree with everything Kerry said and I applaud how he defended himself from the Republicans trying to accuse him of insulting the troops, but this photo is still funny so I'll share.

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 05:44 PM

lmao...now THAT'S funny!

Undertoad · 11-01-2006, 05:49 PM

The average military person's IQ is 8 points above the average American's.

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 06:00 PM

Well that just goes to prove they rig the tests doesn't it?

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 06:01 PM

Either that or pretty much everyone in the US is a bit below par.

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 06:07 PM

This site is always interesting to look at.

Also, have a look at this wikipedia site.

Just be glad you're not from Equatorial Guinea!

Undertoad · 11-01-2006, 06:15 PM

Chris Matthews transcript

Isolated comment:

Quote:

You know education, you make the most of it, you study hard, do your homework, work hard, you do well. If you don‘t, you get stuck in Iraq.

More complete version including preface to comment:

Quote:

Yesterday, I was in the state of Texas. As you all know, President Bush used to live there. Now he lives in a state of denial, a state of deception. I‘m glad to be here with you now, I really, thank you. We‘re here to talk about education and I want to say something. You know education, you make the most of it, you study hard, do your homework, work hard, you do well. If you don‘t, you get stuck in Iraq.

I think he was joking. His preceding comment is a similar Bush-is-dum lefty line of the sort that did not win him the election two years ago.

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 06:42 PM

US Army Lowers Recruiting Standards Due To Iraq

Lower standards help Army meet recruiting goal

Maybe it's just a small slip, but it's still a relaxation of the previous standards. How much further do you think it'll go?

Undertoad · 11-01-2006, 06:49 PM

The articles you are referencing are only one branch of the US Armed Forces. The USA Today article suggests that 2,600 soldiers were recruited who otherwise would not have made the cut. Out of 450,000 soldiers, perhaps they lowered the average a point.

Aliantha · 11-01-2006, 06:51 PM

Unlikely to be even that much I'd say. From my perspective it's more about the fact that the military in any way is willing to compromise it's standards simply for the sake of gathering recruits.

On the other hand, they need people to fight the wars, so I can see the difficulty they're facing.

11-01-2006, 03:23 PM	#32
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	That's just the spin his handlers came up with after the fact. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-01-2006, 04:41 PM	#33
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	If more people did educate themselves about what's really going on in the world then people like Bush wouldn't be in power. Whether it was a joke or not doesn't change the fact that what Kerry said was a fact. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-01-2006, 04:43 PM	#34
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	People who vote for Bush may know what's going on in the world, and that's the way they like it. Sad. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

11-01-2006, 04:45 PM	#35
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well you never know. Maybe if the military get sick of being used as cannon fodder they may decide to instigate a coupe, then you'll all be glad you're armed and dangerous...cept those of you who don't own guns...then you'll just be dangerous, cause deadly force doesn't always come from a gun. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-01-2006, 05:40 PM	#36
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	I agree with everything Kerry said and I applaud how he defended himself from the Republicans trying to accuse him of insulting the troops, but this photo is still funny so I'll share. Attached Images __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

11-01-2006, 05:44 PM	#37
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	lmao...now THAT'S funny! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-01-2006, 05:49 PM	#38
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The average military person's IQ is 8 points above the average American's.

11-01-2006, 06:00 PM	#39
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Well that just goes to prove they rig the tests doesn't it? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-01-2006, 06:01 PM	#40
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Either that or pretty much everyone in the US is a bit below par. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-01-2006, 06:07 PM	#41
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	This site is always interesting to look at. Also, have a look at this wikipedia site. Just be glad you're not from Equatorial Guinea! __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber Last edited by Aliantha; 11-01-2006 at 06:14 PM.

11-01-2006, 06:42 PM	#43
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	US Army Lowers Recruiting Standards Due To Iraq Lower standards help Army meet recruiting goal Maybe it's just a small slip, but it's still a relaxation of the previous standards. How much further do you think it'll go? __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

11-01-2006, 06:49 PM	#44
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The articles you are referencing are only one branch of the US Armed Forces. The USA Today article suggests that 2,600 soldiers were recruited who otherwise would not have made the cut. Out of 450,000 soldiers, perhaps they lowered the average a point.

11-01-2006, 06:51 PM	#45
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Unlikely to be even that much I'd say. From my perspective it's more about the fact that the military in any way is willing to compromise it's standards simply for the sake of gathering recruits. On the other hand, they need people to fight the wars, so I can see the difficulty they're facing. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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