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Old 10-24-2006, 03:05 PM   #31
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:07 PM   #32
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If you're talking about the cars getting hit because their speeding, I don't see anything wrong with that. It's their fault..
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:08 PM   #33
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I found your post to be lacking in information as to what your opinion is:
I'm not familiar with the traffic area these device are operating in, or what specific problem they are designed to prevent, but I do believe (based on the scant evidence of this video) that whiplash and a totalled car for the offender is an excessive outcome, for what I am assuming was intended as some sort of safety device (see the irony there?) . . .

I'm going out on quite a limb to say: there must be a better way to do this. I don't know what it is, and I'm not going to pretend to know.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:12 PM   #34
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A Jersey wall has the same result if you just try to drive through it. This one just removes the need for a crane when you want to let authorized vehicles through.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:19 PM   #35
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for what I am assuming was intended as some sort of safety device (see the irony there?) . . .
Ah, see this is where the miscommunication comes from. It's not a safety device, it's a device intended to keep cars from driving in an area they're not allowed to drive in. Obviously signs didn't do the job, so they had to resort to sturdier measures. What these idiots in the video have done is equivalent to setting up a ramp to try to jump their car Dukes-of-Hazzard-style over a wall that they know is intended to keep them out.

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I'm going out on quite a limb to say: there must be a better way to do this. I don't know what it is, and I'm not going to pretend to know.
I disagree that you're going out on a limb. You are expressing an opinion where none was expressed before. I, on the other hand, personally think this is an excellent way to deter people from driving in these areas, and do not necessarily think there must exist a better way at all.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:20 PM   #36
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I disagree that you're going out on a limb. You are expressing an opinion where none was expressed before. I, on the other hand, personally think this is an excellent way to deter people from driving in these areas, and do not necessarily think there must exist a better way at all.
Unless we just immediately gunned down all violators.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:21 PM   #37
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The afforementioned tire-popping strip might perhaps stop the vehicle without greivous bodily harm, no?
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:27 PM   #38
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The afforementioned tire-popping strip might perhaps stop the vehicle without greivous bodily harm, no?
Possibly. Some problems with that are:

A.) Buses still must get through, so the tire-popping strip would have to move up and down to let approved vehicles through
B.) The area is meant for pedestrians (which is why cars aren't supposed to go through there in the first place,) leaving a good possibility someone will accidentally step on the spikes and cut up their feet. I'd rather injure the defiant drivers than the innocent pedestrians.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:29 PM   #39
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Better still... a tire popping strip doesn't prevent the vehicle from entering the area. If that's the objective, then running on four flats in the restricted area is hardly evidence of an effective deterrent.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:29 PM   #40
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Wait a minute, how the fuck is it safe to let a bus drive on a sidewalk ???
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:34 PM   #41
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Aha! Now there's a point I wasn't sure how to get at. Watch dude get off the bus...he's barely to the bottom step before the bus driver starts to drive off, so I won't accept "the bus drivers are trained for safety" idea.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:37 PM   #42
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when the sidewalk's a driveway?
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:39 PM   #43
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If you're talking about the cars getting hit because their speeding, I don't see anything wrong with that. It's their fault..
oh wait. miscommunication. I was saying that the posts aren't punitive enough. There should also be a car crusher that makes the offending automobile a 3x3 foot cube of metal after 60 seconds.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:39 PM   #44
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I'm not soft on traffic offenders, when I understand the specifics of the situation. Here's an example:
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On-the-spot death sentence, citizen enforcable via car-mounted laser-guided sniper rifles, for failure to use a turn signal. The package will include a video camera, like cop cars have, to document the offense. Drivers must take a short written test to qualify as a turn-signal-enforcer. Failure to pass the test will result in the immediate smashing-in of your head by a large robotic hammer in the testing booth. (We're looking for a few good men, not a bunch of dumbasses...)
But seriously, in the real world I didn't think they had such brutal traffic enforcements in place.
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Old 10-24-2006, 03:40 PM   #45
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It IS traffic control - the area the cars are trying to access is obviously pedestrianised. The van that gets through is Royal Mail (ie the Post Office)
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