You Can't Prove You Exist - Page 3

freshnesschronic · 06-15-2007, 02:49 PM

You lost me at the top.

Come back and get me!

Cloud · 06-15-2007, 02:50 PM

you are so weird, Flint. (but that's okay, since I love weird)

I hope ultra-facility isn't important to my expression . . .

since I have no idea wtf it means.

Flint · 06-15-2007, 02:51 PM

You read my signature! Bozzio is an ex Zappa drummer.That quote is from an interview in Modern Drummer, and the bonus is that he references Joseph Campbell. It's like all my favorite things at once. ... . . . I know it's a little longish and I always wonder if anybody ever actualy reads it.

Cloud · 06-15-2007, 02:53 PM

a ha!

the bliss!

Flint · 06-15-2007, 02:55 PM

Yes... "follow your bliss" ...

jester · 06-15-2007, 02:57 PM

the bills i get in the mail say i exist - my birth certificate says i exist, but if i had a death certificate i wouldn't exist

Cloud · 06-15-2007, 02:59 PM

computers don't follow their bliss. I posit that it's JOY that proves you are alive.

Flint · 06-15-2007, 03:09 PM

It's not about computers versus people. But if it were, I would ask you if you are composed of materials which must obey the laws of physics.

Cloud · 06-15-2007, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

I would ask you if you are composed of materials which must obey the laws of physics.

only partially

"Luminous beings we are, not this crude matter."

(pinches self)

OW!

Now, see what you made me do!

I'm real, I'm real, I'm a real boy!

. . . er, girl.

Flint · 06-15-2007, 03:12 PM

What else are you made of? Energy which must also obey the laws of physics, or something else?

Cloud · 06-15-2007, 03:15 PM

joy

Flint · 06-15-2007, 03:18 PM

Oh, and what is that? ...is it made of magic fairy dust?

Which reminds me of the funniest song I heard today:

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Prine

But fortunately
I have the key
To escape reality

You may see me tonight with an illegal smile
It don't cost very much, but it lasts a long while
Won't you please tell "the man" I didn't kill anyone
No I'm just tryin to have me some fun

Cloud · 06-15-2007, 03:24 PM

people are more than physical matter, cells and blood, organs and skin.

joy is my personal word for that More. We were just talking about bliss. Yoda uses the Force. If you believe in religion, maybe it's the soul. It's the feeling you get when you heart swells at a beautiful sunrise, or you dance yourself to trance. It's the More of human experience.

Flint · 06-15-2007, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cloud

people are more than physical matter, cells and blood, organs and skin. ...

And what else, specifically, are they made of? Unless we are to believe that human beings, of all things in the universe, are endowed with some magical property, then we have to conclude that we are made of whatever everything else is made of. If there is some magic in us, it just goes back to being defined as a physical property of the universe. Unless we, of all things that exist, are favored with some special supernatural quality.

Cloud · 06-15-2007, 03:40 PM

Don't know that humans have the exclusive claim to the More. I only know I experience it.

Maybe it's YOU that doesn't exist.

06-15-2007, 02:50 PM	#32
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	you are so weird, Flint. (but that's okay, since I love weird) I hope ultra-facility isn't important to my expression . . . since I have no idea wtf it means. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

06-15-2007, 02:51 PM	#33
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	You read my signature! Bozzio is an ex Zappa drummer.That quote is from an interview in Modern Drummer, and the bonus is that he references Joseph Campbell. It's like all my favorite things at once. ... . . . I know it's a little longish and I always wonder if anybody ever actualy reads it. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-15-2007, 02:53 PM	#34
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	a ha! the bliss! __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

06-15-2007, 02:55 PM	#35
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Yes... "follow your bliss" ... __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-15-2007, 02:59 PM	#37
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	computers don't follow their bliss. I posit that it's JOY that proves you are alive. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

06-15-2007, 02:49 PM	#31
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	You lost me at the top. Come back and get me!

06-15-2007, 02:57 PM	#36
jester why so serious Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,712	the bills i get in the mail say i exist - my birth certificate says i exist, but if i had a death certificate i wouldn't exist

06-15-2007, 03:09 PM	#38
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	It's not about computers versus people. But if it were, I would ask you if you are composed of materials which must obey the laws of physics. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-15-2007, 03:12 PM	#40
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	What else are you made of? Energy which must also obey the laws of physics, or something else? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

06-15-2007, 03:15 PM	#41
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	joy __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

06-15-2007, 03:24 PM	#43
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	people are more than physical matter, cells and blood, organs and skin. joy is my personal word for that More. We were just talking about bliss. Yoda uses the Force. If you believe in religion, maybe it's the soul. It's the feeling you get when you heart swells at a beautiful sunrise, or you dance yourself to trance. It's the More of human experience. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

06-15-2007, 03:40 PM	#45
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Don't know that humans have the exclusive claim to the More. I only know I experience it. Maybe it's YOU that doesn't exist. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

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