Do You Own a Gun? - Page 34

Radar · 05-25-2007, 02:41 PM

Replied when I read your post. I don't read the whole thread and then go back to see what I want to reply to.

Shawnee123 · 05-25-2007, 02:50 PM

Make a joke around here or disagree and get labeled an "idiot" and "ignorant." Oh, I forgot where I was. This is the Cellar, after all.

HungLikeJesus · 05-25-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

I have no idea what I speak? Maybe you should try to understand what I say before you rant on something I am not talking about.

I know guns can be used for other purposes, but their main purpose is to kill. In modern day society, the chainsaw's, knife's, and baseball bat's main purpose is not to kill, but for some other reason.

PHE - (sorry if this has already been discussed - I've skipped around in this thread a bit) - Why do police (in the US) carry guns? Their stated mission is, generally, "to serve and protect."

I'm not taking a side in this debate, but just looking for a different perspective.

Radar · 05-25-2007, 02:55 PM

Sarcasm doesn't convey well in text. Also I apologize. Just getting sick of Spexxvet lying, being an asshole, and attempting to attack my birthright.

My right to own any number of any kind of gun without any permission or oversight on the part of the government is no less or more important than his/her right to breathe.

Spexxvet · 05-25-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Just getting sick of Spexxvet lying, being an asshole, and attempting to attack my birthright.
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I was not an asshole until you started with the insults, asshole. Please cite where I have lied or attacked your birthright. I have done neither, and those who make claims to the contrary are only displaying their own personal bias and complete ignorance in the matter.

Shawnee123 · 05-25-2007, 03:06 PM

I'm not mad. I do try to stay out of gun threads but I just thought that story was an interesting sidebar. I see both sides on this issue; though I don't care for guns, as a woman living alone I wonder sometimes.

And, I'm too sarcastic for my own good. It gets me into trouble even IRL!

Spexxvet · 05-25-2007, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

... You also have the right to drink alcohol when you've reached the age of majority (18)....

Why do you feel justified in limiting the rights of minors to drink alcohol, but will not tolerate ANY limitations on gun ownership?

monster · 05-25-2007, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Why do you feel justified in limiting the rights of minors to drink alcohol, but will not tolerate ANY limitations on gun ownership?

Are minors allowed to own guns?

wolf · 05-25-2007, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

Are minors allowed to own guns?

No.

piercehawkeye45 · 05-25-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by HLJ

PHE - (sorry if this has already been discussed - I've skipped around in this thread a bit) - Why do police (in the US) carry guns? Their stated mission is, generally, "to serve and protect."

I'm not taking a side in this debate, but just looking for a different perspective.

They carry guns so they can kill if they feel threatened. If they shoot their gun they are told to kill.

Radar · 05-25-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I was not an asshole until you started with the insults, asshole. Please cite where I have lied or attacked your birthright. I have done neither, and those who make claims to the contrary are only displaying their own personal bias and complete ignorance in the matter.

You've lied when you claimed I had no right to own a gun, and you've attacked my birthright to own one. You've dishonestly suggested that gun owners are nuts as opposed to those who are truly insane by attacking their rights.

You are presented with facts and you deny them.

Radar · 05-25-2007, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

Why do you feel justified in limiting the rights of minors to drink alcohol, but will not tolerate ANY limitations on gun ownership?

I don't feel justified in limiting the rights of anyone. Minors have no rights other than basic human rights. They may not make decisions for themselves; only their parents may do it.

If a parent wants to allow a minor to drink alcohol at home, I have no problem with it.

Spexxvet · 05-25-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

You've lied when you claimed I had no right to own a gun, and you've attacked my birthright to own one.

You're lying. Quote me.

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Originally Posted by Radar

You've dishonestly suggested that gun owners are nuts ...

That would not be dishonesty, it would be my opinion. Quote me.

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Originally Posted by Radar

You are presented with facts and you deny them.

I deny facts? Facts can't be denied. Quote me.

Come on, Radar, back up your attack with some evidence.

Spexxvet · 05-25-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar

Our rights come from natural law, which is part of the laws of nature. Where does gravity come from? It's a constant. It's a universal law of nature and is no more or less immutable than our rights. Rights are undeniable and self-evident and are with us from the moment of birth.

If you're unclear about natural law or rights, I suggest you read up on them because they are the foundation of our laws in America.

And yes, all gun control laws are unconstitutional, and a direct violation of our natural rights.

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Originally Posted by Radar

I don't feel justified in limiting the rights of anyone. Minors have no rights other than basic human rights. They may not make decisions for themselves; only their parents may do it.

If a parent wants to allow a minor to drink alcohol at home, I have no problem with it.

Can you clear up these apparent contradictions?

Spexxvet · 05-25-2007, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by monster

Are minors allowed to own guns?

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Originally Posted by wolf

No.

Wrong.

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05-25-2007, 02:41 PM	#496
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Replied when I read your post. I don't read the whole thread and then go back to see what I want to reply to. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

05-25-2007, 02:50 PM	#497
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Make a joke around here or disagree and get labeled an "idiot" and "ignorant." Oh, I forgot where I was. This is the Cellar, after all. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

05-25-2007, 02:55 PM	#499
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	Sarcasm doesn't convey well in text. Also I apologize. Just getting sick of Spexxvet lying, being an asshole, and attempting to attack my birthright. My right to own any number of any kind of gun without any permission or oversight on the part of the government is no less or more important than his/her right to breathe. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

05-25-2007, 03:06 PM	#501
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I'm not mad. I do try to stay out of gun threads but I just thought that story was an interesting sidebar. I see both sides on this issue; though I don't care for guns, as a woman living alone I wonder sometimes. And, I'm too sarcastic for my own good. It gets me into trouble even IRL! __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

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