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02-26-2018, 02:22 PM | #46 | |
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Is the goal the center of the randomized grouping, or is the goal zero? R+1.5 is still favoring Republicans, and that 1.5 bonus can translate to an even bigger benefit in actual representation:
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As I see it, the grouping is the leeway that Republicans would have had when making the map themselves, while still having cover claiming that their advantage was structurally inherent in the urban/rural divide. But if deliberately designing a map with the intent to minimize partisan advantage, the goal is zero. If they hadn't pushed for an even more obscene advantage, they could have easily gotten away with R+6 to even R+10. But they forced the court to make the map, instead, and will have to settle for R+1.5.
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02-26-2018, 06:17 PM | #48 | |
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(note, this is in the context of when the court asked them to resubmit, after the simulation evidence had been introduced, i I have my timeline right).
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02-26-2018, 08:13 PM | #49 |
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This was back in 2010 and probably the worst district in the country. But you're right, if they had been more subtle they wouldn't have become the laughing stock of the country / admired for their chutzpah(depending on which side you're on), and drawn the ire of the courts.
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03-19-2018, 05:15 PM | #50 |
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Looks like the new map is in place for this election.
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04-30-2018, 01:54 PM | #51 |
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Philly.com (paywalled): Pa. gerrymandering's surprise co-conspirators: Democrats
This map we've been choking on? In 2011, one in three Democrats voted in favor of it. Without their votes, it couldn't have been the final map. Why'd they do it... philly.com says, local interests prevailed. The state Ds were disorganized, so local Ds were happy to go along with the plan if it protected their own district. |
04-30-2018, 02:12 PM | #52 |
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big if true
If democrats don't always agree on everything, then how can we trust anything they say?
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05-16-2018, 06:50 AM | #53 |
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It turns out my new district is a few more points pro-Trump than my old district. That means we saddle the rest of you with Opioid Tom Marino, my apologies.
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