Hot dogs or Brats

[dar512]

Originally Posted by glatt

best bratwursts are the white ones made of finely ground veal.

I've had those. I thought they were too bland.

[glatt]

I've had bland white ones too. They often have some sort of green herb in them.

The kind I'm thinking of have a mild spiciness, and are awesome.

Mainly it's the fine grinding I like. I don't like the coarse ground wursts that much. They tend to have pockets of fat so you get squirted when you bite into them. If you think of a typical hot dog, the frankfurter, it's all one consistency inside. You don't get gristle chunks in your teeth because the gristle is ground up for you. These are ground up like that.

[DanaC]

Veal is one meat I will not eat. It tastes great, but the price in terms of animal exploitation is too great for me to enjoy it.

[glatt]

But these are the scraps, that would otherwise be thrown away. If you are going to exploit a baby cow, you might as well us it all rather than waste some.

[DanaC]

*blinks* ok.

[zippyt]

For me, it was the whole reduction sauce thing.

We use Turbo dog from Abita , dark beer , strong . sorta salty taste . good beer to drink , Better to cook with !!!

[zippyt]

Jinx and Flint , let me know How it comes out !!
PICS !!!

[Flint]

Is that one of those really hoppy beers?

[zippyt]

If you slug back 3-4 of them YOU will be Hoppy !!!!!

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by DanaC

Veal is one meat I will not eat. It tastes great, but the price in terms of animal exploitation is too great for me to enjoy it.

Veal production has come a long way. Crates are no longer used in the UK or in Europe. I figure 9/10 you'd be more ethically justified in eating veal than in having a KFC. And certainly more so than eating non free range pork. Pigs are as intelligent as dogs, and are often factory farmed.

I'd eat veal if I knew where it came from. The only factory farmed meat I buy is for Diz (Sainsbury's Basics chicken wings and legs). And even that troubles my conscience.

[DanaC]

KFC in the UK have a policy of using free range chickens

[Sundae]

Originally Posted by DanaC

KFC in the UK have a policy of using free range chickens

I stand corrected. You probably shouldn't have told me that though.
Zinger Tower Burger. Nom nom nom....

[glatt]

Originally Posted by DanaC

KFC in the UK have a policy of using free range chickens

In the US, "free range" only means that the birds have access to the outside, it doesn't say how large that outside area is or what it's like out there. You can have a huge chicken house with a little hole in the wall leading to a 2 meter square gravel pen, and call your chickens "free range." I wonder what UK regulations are like.

[Sundae]

From the DEFRA website (UK Ministry)

Barn
The barn system has a series of perches and feeders at different levels. The maximum stocking density is 9 birds per square metre and there must be at least 250cm square of litter area/bird. Perches for the birds must be installed to allow 15 cm of perch per hen. There must be at least 10cm of feeder/bird and at least one drinker/10 birds. There must be one nest for every 7 birds or 1 square metre of nest space for every 120 birds. Water and feeding troughs are raised so that the food is not scattered

Free range
In free-range systems, the birds are housed as described in the barn system above. In addition birds must have continuous daytime access to open runs which are mainly covered with vegetation and with a maximum stocking density of 2,500 birds per hectare.

A hectare is 10,000 square metres = 2.471 acres

[glatt]

So 2,500 birds per 10,000 square meters. I wonder why they didn't just say 4 birds per square meter? That doesn't sound like a lot of room, but it's better than the conditions inside the buildings.