A Town Willing To Enforce The Law - Page 5

Griff · 03-22-2007, 03:53 PM

How about racist?

elSicomoro · 03-22-2007, 04:07 PM

The following is from the current front page of Valley Park's website:

The City of Valley Park has passed an ordinance making it illegal for businesses to hire illegal aliens and for landlords to rent to illegal aliens. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF) and others have brought together a team of 22 lawyers to sue the City and halt the enforcement of the ordinance. Their lawsuit, brought on behalf of three landlords and a business, argues that the City's ordinance violates numerous federal and state constitutional provisions and discriminates against classes of tenants and employees illegally. The suit seeks compensation for attorney fees and seeks to fine the City Officials for violations of state open meetings laws. Valley Park has denied the allegations and has assembled a legal team to defend it's ordinance and it's officials.

The City has retained the services of a law professor at the University of Missouri who was the chief advisor to former U.S. Attorney General Ashcroft on immigration matters. Prof. Kobach is a nationally known expert in immigration and constitutional law. Valley Park has a limited budget and is a small city, with the population less than 7,500 citizens, whereas the litigants in the suit against the City have counsel who are providing their services to them free from charges. The City has experienced much legal expenses and would appreciate the financial support of like minded persons or businesses that believe our country and way of life is threatened by unrestricted illegal immigration and the presence of illegal aliens in the community at a time when our nation is in a global war against terrorism.

Please consider donating to our cause.

Sincerely,

Jeffery Whitteaker,
Mayor

Translation by sycamore: I, along with a handful of other idges, are so hellbent on passing this shit, that we're essentially willing to bankrupt our backwater piece of shit suburb. Please save us from ourselves.

If only the floods of 1982 and 1993 had truly wiped the city off the map...

03-23-2007, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

How about racist?

Nope, the mayor is the son of two legal immigrants.
They are quite open about how welcoming they are to their legal immigrant community and eleven immigrant businesses have opened since the ordinance has passed.
This is not about race, it is about the law and the law alone. An illegal Brit or Scott is just as illegal.

Griff · 03-23-2007, 06:41 AM

[soviet]I can't wait for this to go national, so we can encourage folks to spy on their neighbors private activities. This will be awesome.[/booster]

Griff · 03-23-2007, 06:48 AM

BTW- We're gonna need a national id card now.

elSicomoro · 03-23-2007, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

Nope, the mayor is the son of two legal immigrants.
They are quite open about how welcoming they are to their legal immigrant community and eleven immigrant businesses have opened since the ordinance has passed.
This is not about race, it is about the law and the law alone.

Having lived in the St. Louis area most of my life, and having a good sense of the type of people that live in Valley Park, I'm gonna call "bullshit" on this...no offense to you, rk.

Griff was actually referring to the type of Democrats that are popular here in the area, not just Whitteaker.

TheMercenary · 03-24-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

Of course it isn't fair for the legal immigrants but life isn't fair and this is one of the problems that you have to make moral sacrifice for the greater good.

Which is why my proposal is sound. The "moral sacrifice for the greater good" is for the people of the US, not for the minority of illegals that represent the masses. Nor for the section of the greater mass of all immigrants. They are illegal, they need to go and come back another day under a supervised plan of monitoring and a more just form of financial contribution to this country. Most border cities hospitals are heavily burdened with the debt these people have placed on the institutions for their "free indigent" care. The educational systems are burdened. The criminal justice system is burdened. The list goes on.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-24-2007, 11:46 AM

Oh yeah, and letting them out in the streets will be sooooo much better. We cannot just send them back to whatever country they come from because there are too many, most we wouldn't be able to find anyways, and even if we did they would come back just as fast. So, we are stuck with them. Now, let’s just ignore and disrespect them and hope they go away, right? Lets let them starve on the street, they are illegals anyways, why should we care about them?

Now, look at the consequences of these actions. They are illegals, they have no way to get money. How do you think they will survive? A life a crime. They will hurt innocent Americans because we brushed them off to the side instead of working with them to make it better for everyone. That is why helping illegals is a "moral sacrifice for the greater good" and why we should work with illegals to make them legal and DOCUMENTED.

TheMercenary · 03-24-2007, 11:56 AM

No, you round them up and send them home. As we are slowly starting to do. No one said anything about letting them out on the streets, not me anyway. It is not just Mexicans or people of spanish/south american origin. There are huge groups of people here illegally. Send them out and make them come back registered. Give everyone of them a fair shake to comeback as a documented alien. The current plan turning a blind eye and just letting them fade into our communities is a bad policy.

xoxoxoBruce · 03-24-2007, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by piercehawkeye45

snip~ and why we should work with illegals to make them legal and DOCUMENTED.

Of course that's the way it always is, now isn't it? We have to work with them because they refused to work with us. They ignored our laws, now we're being black mailed into crumbling to their demands or innocent people will get hurt?

Well, like you said, life ain't fair, so kill 'em if they prey on people. Hunt them down like the criminals that they are. It's got nothing to do with race, it's about enforcing the laws the rest of us have to live by. Either enforce them or rescind them. Don't tell me I must and they don't....that's unacceptable.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-24-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMercenary

No, you round them up and send them home. As we are slowly starting to do. No one said anything about letting them out on the streets, not me anyway.

I can't see how this will work. They are hiding from the law and are blending in with the civilian population. Also, if you read my post, I said that if we did send them out they would just come back. Even if you don't plan on sending them out on the streets, that is where they will go.

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It is not just Mexicans or people of spanish/south american origin.

When did I say anything about how all illegals are just from Mexico or Latin America?

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There are huge groups of people here illegally. Send them out and make them come back registered.

How much money and time would this cost? How are we suppose to keep them out?

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Give everyone of them a fair shake to comeback as a documented alien. The current plan turning a blind eye and just letting them fade into our communities is a bad policy.

The reason they are coming here is because their life is so shitting they are willing to take the risk of coming here illegally to have a better life. This won't solve anything except wasting money. Accepting them is a lot cheaper and it makes it doesn't cause hatred between two cultures.

piercehawkeye45 · 03-24-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Of course that's the way it always is, now isn't it? We have to work with them because they refused to work with us. They ignored our laws, now we're being black mailed into crumbling to their demands or innocent people will get hurt?

We have had no fault in this? Maybe we shouldn't have raped their country in the first place and they wouldn't be here illegally.

wolf · 03-24-2007, 01:37 PM

I'm pretty sure we never actually raped Spain.

03-24-2007, 02:00 PM

I love how people try to make is seem like this is about one nation.
Immigration law is just law, that is correct on both levels and has nothing to do with race.
Our immigration laws are the most liberal in the world, it is harder to become a Chinese, Indian, Mexican, or any other citizen, 90% of the time than a US citizen... but they don't like to talk about that.
Mexico treats their illegals terribly, then complains about us not just letting their citizens walk into the US with no immigration law to protect us. Poor babies... I don't think so.

rigcranop · 03-24-2007, 04:20 PM

I thought this was an interesting video on immigration. The speaker is Roy Beck.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...mbersusa&hl=en

His web site
http://www.numbersusa.com/index

It seems his facts stand up to scrutiny also. Click on "advisors" on the web site.

03-22-2007, 03:53 PM	#61
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	How about racist? __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-23-2007, 06:41 AM	#64
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	[soviet]I can't wait for this to go national, so we can encourage folks to spy on their neighbors private activities. This will be awesome.[/booster] __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-23-2007, 06:48 AM	#65
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	BTW- We're gonna need a national id card now. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

03-24-2007, 01:37 PM	#73
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I'm pretty sure we never actually raped Spain. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-22-2007, 04:07 PM	#62
elSicomoro Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 12,486	The following is from the current front page of Valley Park's website: The City of Valley Park has passed an ordinance making it illegal for businesses to hire illegal aliens and for landlords to rent to illegal aliens. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund (MALDEF) and others have brought together a team of 22 lawyers to sue the City and halt the enforcement of the ordinance. Their lawsuit, brought on behalf of three landlords and a business, argues that the City's ordinance violates numerous federal and state constitutional provisions and discriminates against classes of tenants and employees illegally. The suit seeks compensation for attorney fees and seeks to fine the City Officials for violations of state open meetings laws. Valley Park has denied the allegations and has assembled a legal team to defend it's ordinance and it's officials. The City has retained the services of a law professor at the University of Missouri who was the chief advisor to former U.S. Attorney General Ashcroft on immigration matters. Prof. Kobach is a nationally known expert in immigration and constitutional law. Valley Park has a limited budget and is a small city, with the population less than 7,500 citizens, whereas the litigants in the suit against the City have counsel who are providing their services to them free from charges. The City has experienced much legal expenses and would appreciate the financial support of like minded persons or businesses that believe our country and way of life is threatened by unrestricted illegal immigration and the presence of illegal aliens in the community at a time when our nation is in a global war against terrorism. Please consider donating to our cause. Sincerely, Jeffery Whitteaker, Mayor Translation by sycamore: I, along with a handful of other idges, are so hellbent on passing this shit, that we're essentially willing to bankrupt our backwater piece of shit suburb. Please save us from ourselves. If only the floods of 1982 and 1993 had truly wiped the city off the map...

03-24-2007, 11:46 AM	#68
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Oh yeah, and letting them out in the streets will be sooooo much better. We cannot just send them back to whatever country they come from because there are too many, most we wouldn't be able to find anyways, and even if we did they would come back just as fast. So, we are stuck with them. Now, let’s just ignore and disrespect them and hope they go away, right? Lets let them starve on the street, they are illegals anyways, why should we care about them? Now, look at the consequences of these actions. They are illegals, they have no way to get money. How do you think they will survive? A life a crime. They will hurt innocent Americans because we brushed them off to the side instead of working with them to make it better for everyone. That is why helping illegals is a "moral sacrifice for the greater good" and why we should work with illegals to make them legal and DOCUMENTED.

03-24-2007, 11:56 AM	#69
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	No, you round them up and send them home. As we are slowly starting to do. No one said anything about letting them out on the streets, not me anyway. It is not just Mexicans or people of spanish/south american origin. There are huge groups of people here illegally. Send them out and make them come back registered. Give everyone of them a fair shake to comeback as a documented alien. The current plan turning a blind eye and just letting them fade into our communities is a bad policy.

03-24-2007, 02:00 PM	#74
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I love how people try to make is seem like this is about one nation. Immigration law is just law, that is correct on both levels and has nothing to do with race. Our immigration laws are the most liberal in the world, it is harder to become a Chinese, Indian, Mexican, or any other citizen, 90% of the time than a US citizen... but they don't like to talk about that. Mexico treats their illegals terribly, then complains about us not just letting their citizens walk into the US with no immigration law to protect us. Poor babies... I don't think so.

03-24-2007, 04:20 PM	#75
rigcranop Resident Denizen Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: s. jersey Posts: 62	I thought this was an interesting video on immigration. The speaker is Roy Beck. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...mbersusa&hl=en His web site http://www.numbersusa.com/index It seems his facts stand up to scrutiny also. Click on "advisors" on the web site.

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