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Here's what the study referenced says
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Frankly, the onus should be on medical science to prove that it is safe. At the moment the onus seems to be on people having to prove that it isn't.
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UT Ithink the key words there are consistent and significant. They also suggested areas of concern where results were slightly different.
It is very difficult to prove a consistent cause of eczema and asthma. There are a variety of 'triggers' that set off a flare. As yet they've been unable to find a consistent cause. There are a number of possibilities. But immuno conditions are a bitch to figure out. It's entirely possible conditions like autism are just as tricky. If we're relying on consistent results, then I doubt they will ever be confident enough to point to anything as a cause.
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You guys are working really hard to interpret the science differently than the science interprets itself. You shouldn't do that.
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What I get from those sitations is that there is no proof that these are not normal variations seen in populations where there could be other causes not studied by the original research. They see the variations but that does not mean there is a truely causative relationship.
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It has always been like that because people want solutions to their problems and people who have disease are willing to accept risk-benefit ratios that are directed to a greater extent to easing or curing disease, not thinking to much about the very small group that is affected by rare unintended effects. The medical commuinty thinks the same way. Can we fix problem x with solution y and are 99% of the people relieved.
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It should also be noted that Paul Offit (author of article) holds the patent on 2 vaccines; one currently on the schedule, and one that was taken off due to babies dying from intusception.
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That is quite interesting. Thanks for that bit.
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That covers the overview and (partially) one of the studies, what of the other 19?
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Here is a list of other studies done by various authors:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/doc...ne_studies.pdf
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Just FYI:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Offit and about the withdrawn vaccine, from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotavirus_vaccine: Quote:
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I do have the ability to pull original articles in their complete format if you need me to.
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1 in 12,000 is a pretty high incidence in medicine. And most likely due to the severity of intussusception for the infants that get it, not worth the risk-benefit ratio.
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