2/18: Tokyo protest

Undertoad · 02-18-2002, 01:17 PM

Shot of Tokyo protesters, preceding Bush's arrival.

Amazing: the highly conformist Japanese society produces protesters who find it most convenient to gather together, walk in a line, and be completely directed by police, even though they are wearing helmets and what looks like some sort of mask.

CyclopONE · 02-18-2002, 04:12 PM

I don't want to be mean, but to me it looks like the police are leading the protestors to an off-ramp from a main road somewhere. As if to lead the protest away from the big show.

Anyway, riding the conformist view, I wonder if the protestors had to file a form that allowed them to protest? Maybe they could if they were able to sign up a certain number of people.

In any case, it reminds me of the Roman Legions turtle technique that I saw in the <i>Asterix</i> comics.

-Cyc

02-18-2002, 05:04 PM

As long as they blur their pubic hair it's okay.

fourseven · 02-19-2002, 01:25 AM

impressive picture.. the protesters look like an unarmed army.. tight and organized, probably as much in spirit. not your everyday crowd, huh?

verbatim · 02-19-2002, 02:28 PM

*cough*losers*cough*

Seems to me that if you wanna get your message across, do it loud and rowdy. That looks almost pointless. But that is just my style.

Someone remind me never to move there.

02-19-2002, 02:37 PM

Why? So you don't get killed in a fucking riot?

verbatim · 02-19-2002, 03:03 PM

Well riots are bad. But when i think of the word 'protest', i think of a bunch of hippies sitting around, smoking, and singing songs on their target's front lawn. Not a bunch of people dressed in the same uniform marching in almost perfect columns and not really doing anything other than getting directed by the police. Its almost funny how different Japan and America are, although people keep making the point that we are the same since we made them our bitch after WWII.

02-19-2002, 04:42 PM

Very much alike but very different.

What they're doing, if you think about it, is really basically a physical petition. They are coming out and showing support, in numbers, of their cause (or showing disapproval, in this case, of the protest<b>ed</b>'s policy). I personally would argue that this is more effective because their behavior cannot be used against them, whereas those that are breaking or spraypainting or even obstructing are generally looked down upon and their voices are not heard in a positive light.

mitheral · 02-20-2002, 10:36 AM

Besides which, if the only objective was to draw attention to themselves and their cause the protest has been fairly effective. We are, after all, taking about it here.

CyclopONE · 02-20-2002, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mitheral
We are, after all, taking about it here.

Sure, we are talking about here. But *are* they talking about it there, in Japan?

-Cyc

02-18-2002, 01:17 PM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	2/18: Tokyo protest Shot of Tokyo protesters, preceding Bush's arrival. Amazing: the highly conformist Japanese society produces protesters who find it most convenient to gather together, walk in a line, and be completely directed by police, even though they are wearing helmets and what looks like some sort of mask.

02-18-2002, 04:12 PM	#2
CyclopONE Regulator of Squalor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 37	I don't want to be mean, but to me it looks like the police are leading the protestors to an off-ramp from a main road somewhere. As if to lead the protest away from the big show. Anyway, riding the conformist view, I wonder if the protestors had to file a form that allowed them to protest? Maybe they could if they were able to sign up a certain number of people. In any case, it reminds me of the Roman Legions turtle technique that I saw in the <i>Asterix</i> comics. -Cyc __________________ On a clear disk, you can seek forever.

02-19-2002, 01:25 AM	#4
fourseven Kinda New Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1	troops impressive picture.. the protesters look like an unarmed army.. tight and organized, probably as much in spirit. not your everyday crowd, huh?

02-19-2002, 02:28 PM	#5
verbatim Vice-President of Resentment Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Pennsultucky Posts: 199	coughloserscough Seems to me that if you wanna get your message across, do it loud and rowdy. That looks almost pointless. But that is just my style. Someone remind me never to move there. __________________ <-- I'm with stupid

02-19-2002, 03:03 PM	#7
verbatim Vice-President of Resentment Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Pennsultucky Posts: 199	Well riots are bad. But when i think of the word 'protest', i think of a bunch of hippies sitting around, smoking, and singing songs on their target's front lawn. Not a bunch of people dressed in the same uniform marching in almost perfect columns and not really doing anything other than getting directed by the police. Its almost funny how different Japan and America are, although people keep making the point that we are the same since we made them our bitch after WWII. __________________ <-- I'm with stupid

02-18-2002, 05:04 PM	#3
dave Guest Posts: n/a	As long as they blur their pubic hair it's okay.

02-19-2002, 02:37 PM	#6
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Why? So you don't get killed in a fucking riot?

02-19-2002, 04:42 PM	#8
dave Guest Posts: n/a	Very much alike but very different. What they're doing, if you think about it, is really basically a physical petition. They are coming out and showing support, in numbers, of their cause (or showing disapproval, in this case, of the protest<b>ed</b>'s policy). I personally would argue that this is more effective because their behavior cannot be used against them, whereas those that are breaking or spraypainting or even obstructing are generally looked down upon and their voices are not heard in a positive light.

02-20-2002, 10:36 AM	#9
mitheral Abecedarian Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 170	Fairly Effective Besides which, if the only objective was to draw attention to themselves and their cause the protest has been fairly effective. We are, after all, taking about it here.

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