Horrifying gang rape & assault on mother & son - Page 11

glatt · 07-20-2007, 01:40 PM

I think there is a lot of room for improving the system.

I would like to see violent criminals and lifers housed in different facilities from all other criminals.

I'd like to see the guards put an end to the widespread rape and other assaults that occur in prisons. They currently look the other way, and nobody cares. This makes prisoners full of hate and violence when they get out and rejoin the rest of us in society.

I'd like to see some sort of program that would identify prisoners who can be rehabilitated, and work hard on rehabilitating them. It should be the top priority of the system for this group.

I'd like violent prisoners to be held in prison until they can pass some sort of evaluation that shows they are not a risk to society, even if that means holding on to them for longer than their sentences. The number one reason for prison is to protect society.

At the same time, I'd like people who are not a danger to society to be put in some sort of minimum security rehabilitation program, and I'd like their sentences to be short.

I'd like mentally ill prisoners to be put in high security mental hospitals and held there until the doctors think they are not a danger.

And finally, if you are going to differentiate between kids and adults, you should always differentiate between them, regardless of the crime. The law should be applied equally and consistently to all.

Hime · 07-20-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

I think there is a lot of room for improving the system.

I would like to see violent criminals and lifers housed in different facilities from all other criminals.

I'd like to see the guards put an end to the widespread rape and other assaults that occur in prisons. They currently look the other way, and nobody cares. This makes prisoners full of hate and violence when they get out and rejoin the rest of us in society.

I'd like to see some sort of program that would identify prisoners who can be rehabilitated, and work hard on rehabilitating them. It should be the top priority of the system for this group.

I'd like violent prisoners to be held in prison until they can pass some sort of evaluation that shows they are not a risk to society, even if that means holding on to them for longer than their sentences. The number one reason for prison is to protect society.

At the same time, I'd like people who are not a danger to society to be put in some sort of minimum security rehabilitation program, and I'd like their sentences to be short.

I'd like mentally ill prisoners to be put in high security mental hospitals and held there until the doctors think they are not a danger.

And finally, if you are going to differentiate between kids and adults, you should always differentiate between them, regardless of the crime. The law should be applied equally and consistently to all.

I agree with almost all of this. One of the things that most disgusts me about my country is the majority's total apathy towards the living conditions of prisoners. Prison rape is not funny, people.

yesman065 · 07-20-2007, 01:54 PM

I agree too. Well said! But I must say that somehow, not specifically in this instance, that the punishment should fit the crime.

Shawnee123 · 07-20-2007, 01:58 PM

I agree too.

It's just hard for me to come to terms with those atrocities coming out of the minds of such young people, and I have a hard time differentiating between someone who could do such things at 15, or at 18, or at 35.

Our criminal system is horrible; I know I have no solutions. So many people who get out want to get back in, it's the only life they know.

smurfalicious · 07-20-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Our criminal system is horrible; I know I have no solutions.

Maybe the Philippinos have it right????

glatt · 07-20-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by yesman065

the punishment should fit the crime.

I'd agree with this too, but I'd wager that everyone has their own idea of what a fitting punishment is. Just read through this thread.

yesman065 · 07-20-2007, 03:04 PM

yeah I know Glatt - but again not on this specific case, but in general, there are crimes committed by "kids" that deserve far longer sentences than the year and a half or two that they get because the system says so. Things need to be more flexible and allow those who deal with this stuff all the time the ability to determine what is "fitting."

Shawnee123 · 07-20-2007, 03:20 PM

I never said what I thought the punishment should be in this case. I did say to try them as adults, because of my feeling I outlined in post 154 (sounds like an American Legion baseball team.)

Lord knows what the punishment should be. I'm sure we run the spectrum on what is appropriate, as you said.

glatt · 07-20-2007, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by yesman065

Things need to be more flexible and allow those who deal with this stuff all the time the ability to determine what is "fitting."

I absolutely agree with that. I hate the idea of legislators telling judges what they have to do in certain situations and not letting them look at the particulars for each case.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-20-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by glatt

I'd like to see some sort of program that would identify prisoners who can be rehabilitated, and work hard on rehabilitating them. It should be the top priority of the system for this group.

Lovely idea, but look at everything else the government does.... the people put in charge.... political pressures.
Flexibility spawns abuses that spawn inflexible rules.
Shit like that promotes systems that are worse than the problems they are trying to solve.
Pardon my cynicism.

glatt · 07-20-2007, 04:23 PM

I'm thinking of something more along the lines of our public school system, but with high security. I have no idea how to identify those who can be rehabilitated. It's not my area of expertise.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-20-2007, 04:42 PM

Yeah, I know... that's the problem, who does? I don't trust assholes like Dr Phil, and I'm afraid Dr Wolf would execute everyone.
This has been a conundrum since 1787 when Dr. Rush founded the Philadelphia Society for Alleviating the Miseries of Public Prisons.

aliasyzy · 07-21-2007, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rexmons

i personally think they should lock all the guys who did it away until the 12yr old son turns 18, then they should let him execute each and every one of them.

only vengeance could wash away the humiliation he and she have suffered.

Squid_Operator · 07-21-2007, 03:55 AM

I say love your enemies.

xoxoxoBruce · 07-21-2007, 08:25 AM

But don't let your enemies love you.

07-20-2007, 01:54 PM	#153
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	I agree too. Well said! But I must say that somehow, not specifically in this instance, that the punishment should fit the crime. Last edited by yesman065; 07-20-2007 at 03:01 PM.

07-20-2007, 01:58 PM	#154
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I agree too. It's just hard for me to come to terms with those atrocities coming out of the minds of such young people, and I have a hard time differentiating between someone who could do such things at 15, or at 18, or at 35. Our criminal system is horrible; I know I have no solutions. So many people who get out want to get back in, it's the only life they know. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

07-20-2007, 03:20 PM	#158
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	I never said what I thought the punishment should be in this case. I did say to try them as adults, because of my feeling I outlined in post 154 (sounds like an American Legion baseball team.) Lord knows what the punishment should be. I'm sure we run the spectrum on what is appropriate, as you said. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

07-20-2007, 04:42 PM	#162
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Yeah, I know... that's the problem, who does? I don't trust assholes like Dr Phil, and I'm afraid Dr Wolf would execute everyone. This has been a conundrum since 1787 when Dr. Rush founded the Philadelphia Society for Alleviating the Miseries of Public Prisons. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-21-2007, 08:25 AM	#165
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	But don't let your enemies love you. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-20-2007, 01:40 PM	#151
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I think there is a lot of room for improving the system. I would like to see violent criminals and lifers housed in different facilities from all other criminals. I'd like to see the guards put an end to the widespread rape and other assaults that occur in prisons. They currently look the other way, and nobody cares. This makes prisoners full of hate and violence when they get out and rejoin the rest of us in society. I'd like to see some sort of program that would identify prisoners who can be rehabilitated, and work hard on rehabilitating them. It should be the top priority of the system for this group. I'd like violent prisoners to be held in prison until they can pass some sort of evaluation that shows they are not a risk to society, even if that means holding on to them for longer than their sentences. The number one reason for prison is to protect society. At the same time, I'd like people who are not a danger to society to be put in some sort of minimum security rehabilitation program, and I'd like their sentences to be short. I'd like mentally ill prisoners to be put in high security mental hospitals and held there until the doctors think they are not a danger. And finally, if you are going to differentiate between kids and adults, you should always differentiate between them, regardless of the crime. The law should be applied equally and consistently to all.

07-20-2007, 03:04 PM	#157
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	yeah I know Glatt - but again not on this specific case, but in general, there are crimes committed by "kids" that deserve far longer sentences than the year and a half or two that they get because the system says so. Things need to be more flexible and allow those who deal with this stuff all the time the ability to determine what is "fitting."

07-20-2007, 04:23 PM	#161
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I'm thinking of something more along the lines of our public school system, but with high security. I have no idea how to identify those who can be rehabilitated. It's not my area of expertise.

07-21-2007, 03:55 AM	#164
Squid_Operator [Radio Operator] Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: [Hawaii/Monterey california] Posts: 43	I say love your enemies.

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