Peter Jackson's The Hobbit

Spexxvet · 04-30-2011, 08:34 AM

Who knew that Galadriel, Saruman, Frodo, and Galadriel were in The Hobbit? And I don't remember the character Itaril.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0903624/

ZenGum · 04-30-2011, 09:06 AM

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Peter Jackson's The Hobbit

Is he? I never knew...

Seriously, after he played silly buggers with LotR, I don't expect much from this, except that Smaug should be awesome.

FTR, The hobbit was set when Bilbo was 50, and LotR starts with Bilbo being 111 and Frodo 33, putting a 78 year gap between them. Frodo wasn't even BORN when Bilbo went off the first time.

The penalty for this should be death.

No, the penalty for this should be to be carried away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness, where his flesh shall be devoured and his shrivelled mind left naked to the Lidless Eye. But he probably wouldn't even get the reference.

Flint · 04-30-2011, 12:05 PM

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... after he played silly buggers with LotR ...

What was wrong with Lord of the Rings? Did you take issue with the fact that he changed the timing of events, combined and/or transposed plot and character elements in order to move the storyline forward in a different format, all without changing its essential nature?

By way of comparison, a SERIOUS writer like Ayn Rand, when composing the screenplay for her own novel The Fountainhead... changed the timing of events, combined and/or transposed plot and character elements in order to move the storyline forward in a different format, all without changing its essential nature. Should we gather an army of internet nerds to storm the gates and accuse Ayn Rand of selling out?

ZenGum · 04-30-2011, 08:08 PM

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By way of comparison, a SERIOUS writer like Ayn Rand,

If the movie had been called The War of the Ring or something I wouldn't have minded so much. And I can forgive a fair bit of editing - the whole Old Forest / Bombadil section was pretty much cuttable, eg - but it was the dumbing down that pissed me off, especially in the confrontations between Gandalf and Saruman. It ended up as "ooh, orcs, kill them! Chop slash gahh... Ooohh, more orcs, kill them ... " rinse and repeat.

Pete Zicato · 05-02-2011, 08:58 PM

I actually liked the movies fairly well.

However it did bother me that they changed Faramir. "Not if I found it in the road would I take the ring". It was the reason Sam was impressed with him.

Flint · 05-02-2011, 09:39 PM

I was thoroughly impressed that the movie adaptation of such a deeply ingrained part of our culture (a literary work so influential that it has inspired an entire genre, spanning decades, of almost entirely derivative work) was so successfully translated into the cinematic format that both people who were utterly ignorant of the original books, and people who were lifelong, perpetually-obsessed fans, were in equal part able to enjoy them.

In the face of this frankly monumental achievement, some of the nit-picking criticisms I've heard are something I really just can't understand.

The concept of a static tale that is never altered, but remains forever stagnant and unchanging throughout the years, each successive teller of the tale neither adding nor taking away anything; this is something that has never existed. The invention of the printing press, and later recording technologies, have created this illusory concept of the "unchanging" tale.

Urbane Guerrilla · 05-02-2011, 11:08 PM

Wot Flint sed.

Now somebody did make a miniseries out of Gormenghast -- and bedad, that wasn't easy. Dune, even harder -- and the two tries at it were in varied ways not quite successful. I still have the glossary sheet they handed out at the theater.

BigV · 05-05-2011, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

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The concept of a static tale that is never altered, but remains forever stagnant and unchanging throughout the years, each successive teller of the tale neither adding nor taking away anything; this is something that has never existed. --snip

see: Qur'an

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Muslims maintain the present wording of the Quranic text corresponds exactly to that revealed to Muhammad himself: as the words of God, said to be delivered to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel.

Flint · 05-05-2011, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigV

see: Qur'an

Yeah, every religion says that about everything. But we all know that's bullshit...right?

jasonR · 05-08-2011, 12:02 PM

Nice to see them make the hobbit. It's the first fantasy novel I read. I got my hands on the 1946 version. From there it was about 10-15 years of addiction to fantasy novels lol

04-30-2011, 08:34 AM	#1
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Peter Jackson's The Hobbit Who knew that Galadriel, Saruman, Frodo, and Galadriel were in The Hobbit? And I don't remember the character Itaril. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0903624/ __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

05-02-2011, 08:58 PM	#5
Pete Zicato Turns out my CRS is a symptom of TMB. Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago suburbs Posts: 2,916	I actually liked the movies fairly well. However it did bother me that they changed Faramir. "Not if I found it in the road would I take the ring". It was the reason Sam was impressed with him. __________________ Talk nerdy to me.

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Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I was thoroughly impressed that the movie adaptation of such a deeply ingrained part of our culture (a literary work so influential that it has inspired an entire genre, spanning decades, of almost entirely derivative work) was so successfully translated into the cinematic format that both people who were utterly ignorant of the original books, and people who were lifelong, perpetually-obsessed fans, were in equal part able to enjoy them. In the face of this frankly monumental achievement, some of the nit-picking criticisms I've heard are something I really just can't understand. The concept of a static tale that is never altered, but remains forever stagnant and unchanging throughout the years, each successive teller of the tale neither adding nor taking away anything; this is something that has never existed. The invention of the printing press, and later recording technologies, have created this illusory concept of the "unchanging" tale. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

05-02-2011, 11:08 PM	#7
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Wot Flint sed. Now somebody did make a miniseries out of Gormenghast -- and bedad, that wasn't easy. Dune, even harder -- and the two tries at it were in varied ways not quite successful. I still have the glossary sheet they handed out at the theater. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

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jasonR Recruit or Something Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 4	Nice to see them make the hobbit. It's the first fantasy novel I read. I got my hands on the 1946 version. From there it was about 10-15 years of addiction to fantasy novels lol

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