09-03-2007, 02:09 PM | #1 | |
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09-03-2007, 02:15 PM | #2 |
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Don't worry. According to Undertoad, everything will just sort of work itself out.
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09-03-2007, 03:44 PM | #3 |
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Salatin occasionally writes for Mother Earth News. His farm is spectacular. He is an innovator. We hate innovation.
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09-03-2007, 06:25 PM | #4 |
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Salatin's Polyface farm
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09-04-2007, 08:24 AM | #5 |
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The sound of our government failing will be muffled by red tape. I think it was Salatin who spoke out pretty early against handing the word "organic" over to the Feds. A bunch of left-leaning farmers who believed in government went to the Feds for protection from competition. The idea was to apply the word organic in such a way as to prevent the big guys from using the label. The Feds engaged the red tape machine, ratcheting up the rule making and fees and suddenly the big guys were in the driver's seat.
I told my cousin about my bureacratic nightmare in education then he told his tale of woe getting permission to clean out a "stream." It seems design and enforcement are two different groups who don't interact. It took all summer to get through the tape and a weekend to do the work.
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09-04-2007, 08:59 AM | #6 | |
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09-04-2007, 09:49 AM | #7 |
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A Tale of Two Salads asks whether we are really rich when our food tastes as it does? This is the kind of thing innovators are addressing but if we legislate them out of existence... To me it is interesting that we talk about choice being a value in our society but real choice is swept away.
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09-04-2007, 10:30 AM | #8 | |
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If I go to a doctor and he needs t send me for a test, I really don't want a brochure...I want him to tell me which hospital/clinic will deal with my problem best and send me there. If I have a child starting school, a degree of choice is a good idea, but it's no choice at all if it's between a successful school and a failing school, especially since the schools which are more popular aren't able to take all applicants. When I go to buy a train ticket, I ask for a ticket for the town to which I want to travel. He then hands me a ticket that takes me there. If I need to leave at 10am I leave at 10am, if i need to leave at 12:30 I need to leave at 12:30. I am really not taking on board the fact that the early train is a Virgin train and the later is Arriva. Nor, do I care that the tracks and stations and trains are all owned by different companies. Nobody says "which train companies are running trains to location x?" when they go to the ticket booth, they say "ticket to location x please" and the companies just work out the timetable between themselvles. All these areas have been 'freed up' to pursue markets and choice, and a handful of people have become very rich in the process (stuff like rail travel and amenities were sold off practically to the lowest bidder, then heavily subsidised in the early years, costing the tax-payer money in the short term and removing their assets in the long term) meanwhile the customer/consumer is left with a reduced service at higher costs. Dismantling a primarily state-owned infrastructure (note just infrastructure, we're not anti-business inthe UK, we aren't called a nation of shopkeepers for nowt :P) Basically I think I am saying that we (Brits) do American style capitalism as badly as people say you'd do European socialism. [edited to note] Sorry...I went off on a bit of a drift there...:P Last edited by DanaC; 09-04-2007 at 10:38 AM. |
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09-04-2007, 11:00 AM | #9 |
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Drift is good.
We do see this thing differently. I'll have to consider this more deeply to see if there is a way to allow folks of opposing ideologies the choice they both crave.
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09-04-2007, 05:33 PM | #10 |
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Wow, that was a depressing read. The main reason why I don't eat meat is that the practices of the meat industry are so fucked-up. I hope that Salatin has some luck getting his message out -- it's not one that many people want to listen to.
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09-04-2007, 05:33 PM | #11 | |
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Same guy on building a house
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09-04-2007, 06:51 PM | #12 |
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It would serve him right if he got that law repealed, and someone surrounded his property with trailer parks.
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09-04-2007, 06:53 PM | #13 |
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09-04-2007, 08:05 PM | #14 |
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I missed the part where he said he wanted to control everyone else. At least we've laid that whole left-wing tolerance thing to rest.
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09-04-2007, 08:19 PM | #15 |
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He doesn't need to want to control everyone else. The point is if planning regulations are set aside then that would apply to everyone and not just him in his yurt. He could well end up losing out to that if someone else successfully built a bunch of stuff that the planning regulations may have prevented. (Unless I have totally misunderstood the situation....)
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