Money is illegal

Griff · 08-29-2007, 08:22 AM

During a stop at a weigh station in New Mexico on August 8, Prieto made a critical mistake: He cooperated with the police, assuming that as a law-abiding individual he had nothing to fear from them.

US v. $124,700 On de novo review, we respectfully disagree and reach a different conclusion. We believe that the evidence as a whole demonstrates by a preponderance of the evidence that there was a substantial connection between the currency and a drug trafficking offense. Possession of a large sum of cash is “strong evidence” of a
connection to drug activity, $84,615 in U.S. Currency, 379 F.3d at 501-02, and Gonzolez was carrying the very large sum of $124,700. The currency was concealed in aluminum foil inside a cooler, and while an innocent traveler might theoretically carry more than $100,000 in cash across country and seek to conceal funds from
would-be thieves on the highway, we have adopted the common-sense view that bundling and concealment of large amounts of currency, combined with other suspicious circumstances, supports a connection between money and drug trafficking.

I'm thinking we've gone far enough with this whole drug war. They're assuming guilt and taking peoples stuff. It sounds eerily familiar.

Shawnee123 · 08-29-2007, 08:25 AM

When I was a cop in Mexico, this stuff happened all the time. Who are you to pretend to understand the logistics behind these actions? You weren't there.

I'm kidding, of course.

This is scary. The war on drugs is worse than just ineffective, it infringes on personal liberties.

Griff · 08-29-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

When I was a cop in Mexico,..

You almost had me there. I need more coffee.

Spexxvet · 08-29-2007, 08:28 AM

This makes me scared to carry around more than $119, 237.06

At least he wasn't tapping his toe in an airport men's room stall.

Trilby · 08-29-2007, 08:32 AM

Money is illegal?

Hey! What do you know--I'm totally in compliance!!

Griff · 08-29-2007, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Brianna

Money is illegal?

Hey! What do you know--I'm totally in compliance!!

Yay us!

Shawnee123 · 08-29-2007, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Griff

You almost had me there. I need more coffee.

Too funny. What? I was a cop in Mexico, right after my stint as an astronaut.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spexxvet

This makes me scared to carry around more than $119, 237.06

Carry it over here, dude. I'll keep an eye on it for you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianna

Hey! What do you know--I'm totally in compliance!!

Hey, me too, for once.

Drax · 08-29-2007, 02:00 PM

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we have adopted the common-sense view that bundling and concealment of large amounts of currency, combined with other suspicious circumstances, supports a connection between money and drug trafficking.

That's not common sense, that unreasonable ASSumption.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-29-2007, 06:26 PM

Actually the only connection they have is the dog reacted to the money. That's bullshit because the courts have already determined that most large denomination bills are drug tainted. (edit~ That's the $124k case)

A few years ago, the NJ police stopped a car with 2 guys from down in the Carolinas somewhere, on the Atlantic City Expressway. They had something like $50 or $60 thousand on them, so the money was seized and the 2 guys told if they wanted it back they would have to take the state to court and prove they got it legally. That ain't right.

08-29-2007, 09:20 PM

There was an idiot sheriff near here, Orange County, that did the same thing.
If you had "too much cash" and were a minority you "must be a drug dealer" and they took your money and car.
Happened for a long time.
How did they find the money, if you were not white and driving a nice car, you got pulled-over.
It was well known here before it broke in the press.
White kids used to dress-up just to mess with the nazi cops.

Griff · 08-29-2007, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

It was well known here before it broke in the press.

The press really needs to step up.

08-29-2007, 09:36 PM

Cops need to learn it is none of their damn business why you have cash, no matter how much you have on you.

Flint · 08-29-2007, 10:11 PM

I need a shorthand for saying "I can't remember whether I read this in Popular Science, Discover, or Scientific American" ...

So as it turns out, the ink in American currency is like a magnet for cocaine molecules. Money circulates through many hands.

Terminator_484 · 09-06-2007, 09:26 PM

Score another point for the police state, minus one for those actually living in the "land of the free".

wolf · 09-07-2007, 01:40 AM

Terminator, try actually participating in the threads rather than walking around wearing the sandwich board.

This will improve the experience for all of us.

08-29-2007, 08:22 AM	#1
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Money is illegal During a stop at a weigh station in New Mexico on August 8, Prieto made a critical mistake: He cooperated with the police, assuming that as a law-abiding individual he had nothing to fear from them. US v. $124,700 On de novo review, we respectfully disagree and reach a different conclusion. We believe that the evidence as a whole demonstrates by a preponderance of the evidence that there was a substantial connection between the currency and a drug trafficking offense. Possession of a large sum of cash is “strong evidence” of a connection to drug activity, $84,615 in U.S. Currency, 379 F.3d at 501-02, and Gonzolez was carrying the very large sum of $124,700. The currency was concealed in aluminum foil inside a cooler, and while an innocent traveler might theoretically carry more than $100,000 in cash across country and seek to conceal funds from would-be thieves on the highway, we have adopted the common-sense view that bundling and concealment of large amounts of currency, combined with other suspicious circumstances, supports a connection between money and drug trafficking. I'm thinking we've gone far enough with this whole drug war. They're assuming guilt and taking peoples stuff. It sounds eerily familiar. Attached Images __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-29-2007, 08:25 AM	#2
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	When I was a cop in Mexico, this stuff happened all the time. Who are you to pretend to understand the logistics behind these actions? You weren't there. I'm kidding, of course. This is scary. The war on drugs is worse than just ineffective, it infringes on personal liberties. __________________ A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones who need the advice. --Bill Cosby

08-29-2007, 08:28 AM	#4
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	This makes me scared to carry around more than $119, 237.06 At least he wasn't tapping his toe in an airport men's room stall. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

08-29-2007, 08:32 AM	#5
Trilby Slattern of the Swail Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 15,654	Money is illegal? Hey! What do you know--I'm totally in compliance!! __________________ In Barrie's play and novel, the roles of fairies are brief: they are allies to the Lost Boys, the source of fairy dust and ...They are portrayed as dangerous, whimsical and extremely clever but quite hedonistic. "Shall I give you a kiss?" Peter asked and, jerking an acorn button off his coat, solemnly presented it to her. —James Barrie Wimminfolk they be tricksy. - ZenGum

08-29-2007, 06:26 PM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Actually the only connection they have is the dog reacted to the money. That's bullshit because the courts have already determined that most large denomination bills are drug tainted. (edit~ That's the $124k case) A few years ago, the NJ police stopped a car with 2 guys from down in the Carolinas somewhere, on the Atlantic City Expressway. They had something like $50 or $60 thousand on them, so the money was seized and the 2 guys told if they wanted it back they would have to take the state to court and prove they got it legally. That ain't right. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump. Last edited by xoxoxoBruce; 08-29-2007 at 06:43 PM.

08-29-2007, 09:20 PM	#10
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	There was an idiot sheriff near here, Orange County, that did the same thing. If you had "too much cash" and were a minority you "must be a drug dealer" and they took your money and car. Happened for a long time. How did they find the money, if you were not white and driving a nice car, you got pulled-over. It was well known here before it broke in the press. White kids used to dress-up just to mess with the nazi cops.

08-29-2007, 09:36 PM	#12
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Cops need to learn it is none of their *damn* business why you have cash, no matter how much you have on you.

08-29-2007, 10:11 PM	#13
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I need a shorthand for saying "I can't remember whether I read this in Popular Science, Discover, or Scientific American" ... So as it turns out, the ink in American currency is like a magnet for cocaine molecules. Money circulates through many hands. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

09-06-2007, 09:26 PM	#14
Terminator_484 FedCom representative Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: FedCom Posts: 23	Score another point for the police state, minus one for those actually living in the "land of the free".

09-07-2007, 01:40 AM	#15
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