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01-12-2002, 08:19 PM | #31 |
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Not all architecture is crap ... but it's good to know where to put the toilet. And that's where Fine Homebuilding Magazine is very helpful.
What I thought when I saw this IotD of Jordan's house was ... shit ... how many toilets does it have? |
01-13-2002, 12:13 AM | #32 | |
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Wow. Check it out. I have like, hmmm... probably in the viscinity of 20 computers now. While other people are in poverty! But I work for a living. Anyone can get a job, no matter how limited their skill set. It doesn't take much to bag groceries at a store or mop the floors at a McDonalds. I have a mother that needs to be cared for, thank you very much. I need to pay lawyers to represent her, as well as get her basic amenities ($40 each month isn't very much - the nursing home takes the rest of her money, even though they do a shitty job - bed sores are fun!). Hey, I bet half of those people on the streets don't have massive bed sores like my mom does. Wanna start posting for her too? We all need a fucking mansion when there are people with bed sores out there, eh? Anyway, not all of us live in a fucking mansion. Most of us don't, actually. I think it's less than one percent that do. So if you have a problem with the fact that most of this country (and the world, too) uses their hard-earned money to make life a little easier or a little more enjoyable (playing with an iPod is more enjoyable than mowing the lawn, trust me), why don't you cut all that out of your imperfect life and do something? Sell the fucking computer you post this from and buy some clothes and food for some homeless people. Sell your car and do the same. If you don't have one, steal it from some rich asshole that doesn't really need it anyway. Quit being a fucking hypocrite. I'd bet you the few thousand dollars in my checking account that you don't practice what you preach. So, in the words of Doug the Head, <b>fuck off</b>. |
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01-13-2002, 05:16 AM | #33 | |
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First of all muse, you are being holier than thou, you're, by proxy at least saying, look at you materialistic lot, disgusting, whether or not you yourself are any better. And another point is very clear, if you had a through knowledge of Architecture instead of looking down on it you'd realise there was an entire period of architecture (and much of Le Corbusier's work) dedicated to high-capacity, low cost housing, while still being aesthetically pleasing. A more recent example would be a project that turned a shipping container into a fantastic self-contained house inexpensively, believe it or not, aesthetics need to come at a large price.
So either sell everything you own apart from the bare necessities and donate the cash to red cross, or shut the fuck up and stop being hypocritical. Anyway, personally i don't want a fucking mansion, i want a 1-2 bedroom apartment, you probably live in a bigger house. Now, back to our regular programming. Quote:
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01-13-2002, 07:57 AM | #34 | ||||||
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fun fun bitching
....well since i'm now in the role of the holier than thou person, I may as well continue my bitching
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Yes, I do think some architecture is beautiful. However does this justify spending millions of dollars on it? In times past this was seen as acceptable but times change, at least I hope they do. I'm sure some artist could paint a beautiful picture with the blood of a baby but does this justify the means? haha and I love how people always get worked up about grammar. Quote:
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01-13-2002, 09:36 AM | #35 | |
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Your right about of a LOT of that neogeorgian stuff - it IS crap. However, the WORST stuff I see right now are either the Townhouse stuff, or the typical semi attached or attached house - they build them as "Lot Max" cubes, and don't even break up the block longhouse with any details (Like a femish lay to the brick) - It's designed and build as cheaply as possible. The GOOD news is that there is a builder around here building what COULD be the same cookie cutter semi attached who is now doing some little things - a pattern in the bricks, a small spot for a shrub or two, some better lighting. His stuff sells faster and actually looks a lot better. Maybe the other builders will learn |
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Secondly - I've <b>stood</b> and talked to a number of homeless people. I can't count how many, and it doesn't really matter either. They don't bother me, just being there. So I don't really care if they get jobs. As long as they're happy, I'm happy. So when I talk to them, I try to make their day shine just a little bit brighter. Only a few times have I actually asked about why they were there - most of them don't seem to really want to go back to that. So I talk to them for a few minutes, let them talk. Tell a joke. Offer to buy them some food. Tell them that I'll catch them later. I treat them like a normal person. Nothing is more degrading than groveling. I try to make them feel like a perfectly normal person, like we're two dudes there by the bank in Toronto just chattin' it up. They seem to like that. Quote:
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As for the rest, since Mozilla makes this a pain in the ass for me to copy and paste, I'll just respond without quoting. Typos happen. Look over my posts and find me one (1) place where I have misused a contraction. That's what grammar is. Not spelling. But since we're on that too - find me a spelling error that couldn't be a typo. Thanks. |
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01-13-2002, 05:28 PM | #37 |
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Charlie, keep looking, look at a range of mags, many of them *are* very pretentious/useless ill be the first to admit that but there is some good stuff being built, i've seen it. It does obviously depend where your tastes run. My first question would be: where do your tates run/ IF they tend to be more minimalist, you're more in luck these days i will admit, but i've seen some fantatic use fo foliage in very moden houses as well as medling of materials, particaurly wood/steel combinations ofthen whit bloc colour. Whatever you do, never read architecture Australia, it is the worst mag i've ever been unlucky to read, and to make it worse a fiend and i literally had to sue a dictioary on every 10th word, more elitelist, pretentious and arrogant pile of drivel i've ever read.
NOw. Muse. Firstly when you butted in with your rediculious commet - we were discussing the hsitory of architecture more than anything else, which made your comment seem even mroe silly. Secondly, yes, it is obscene thatpeople have so much money etcetc, my question would be, what the fuck do you think we should do about it? We are in the midst fo a glboal class war, or the start of one, i think it will take 20 odd years to come to fruitation but its coming. Secondly, i never remember endorsing his house, yet your comment was directed at all of us, was it or was it purely at jordan?
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01-13-2002, 07:51 PM | #38 |
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The way I see it Jordans house, which would be for my purposes simply awful, provided a lot of work for a lot of people. So instead of a indoor court, I see a few hoops for kids nailed to the garages of the carpenters, plumbers, and electricians. Maybe the architect can use his piece to by a clue, but it doesn't matter. Jordan apparently got the place he wanted and instead of sitting on his pile Mike spent some it. It kind of reminds me of that feel good legislation Congress passed a few years ago. You remember our critters played the class card and put a luxury tax on yachts. The part they apparently misunderstood was that a lot of very talented woodworkers needed those jobs if their work was going to be fullfilling and lucrative.
Here's a place to go for those folks who have a building itch. They teach basic housebuilding, design and post and beam building to folks of all different backgrounds. http://www.shelterinstitute.com/ |
01-13-2002, 08:05 PM | #39 |
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You know, all this talk about houses has got the gerbil running on his wheel in my mind...
Parts of north Chicago have these large houses that are home to 3 or 4 families. My ex used to live in one in the Ukrainian Village (near Western and Chicago Aves.)--there was one 2 br apt. on each floor (3 floors total). I would love to take one of those houses and convert it into one house for Rho and I. So far, I'm thinking like this: --The first floor would be the "art" area: computers, a recording studio, a photography studio, an art studio. --The second floor would be the main area of the house, for entertaining guests. --The top floor would be our personal living space. It's only a rough sketch, but it would be pretty sweet. |
01-13-2002, 08:24 PM | #40 |
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sycamore - Hells yeah!
This is always the kind of thing I wanted to do, but a little bit different. Bottom floor is the entertaining area/living area/kitchen/TV room. Middle floor would be the "art" area - computers, all of Jenni's art stuff, etc. Top floor would, of course, be living space. The problem, however, is having the money to do it. So that's why I'm making do with the 2 bedrooms and the living room here - it's kinda our 3 areas - 1 room for computers and pets and Jenni's art stuff, 1 room for our personal space and 1 room (living room) for, well, living. It's not quite ideal, but it'll work |
01-13-2002, 08:55 PM | #41 |
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I"d put entertain on the bottm, liv on the middle and art at the top.
Firstly, having living hte middle gives you easier access to both, the only catch is the distance from kitchen to art. THe second factor is light, having teh art on the top floow gives you access to more light, often useful thing, and easier to install skylights. Plumbing would be cheaper on a bottom floor too. Colour would be a big issue, you'd need something light, probably preferably cold on the top floor to be neutral enough while enouaging space. The ceiling in the bottom should definately be light, or preferably white to give an illusion of space/height, but warmer walls would probably work better. Flooring, you'd probably want carpet in the lower two and something more....accident proof like epoxied floorbaords in the top. Of course since i have buggar all idea what these things look like...... I'm bored, everyone has gone overseas and left me alone =(. SO if you've got floorplans/pictures/whatever pass em over, i'd love ot have a look. The other reason is i'm looking for a topic/concpet for my first main graphics folio next year, which is supposed to be something architectural.....
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01-13-2002, 09:14 PM | #42 |
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Ok, here's something personal.
I'm feeling comfortable with the community now. I've been there, done that with the maniac mansion deal. In fact, my monster home was featured in the movie based on the Mary Higgins Clark mystery, Remember Me. That's the house (half of it) in the pic on the link above. If you ever see the flick on late night TV, remember me. I won't go into the whole thing about the house, the reno, the separation, the movie, the litigation. That's a book, itself. Or at least a separate thread. Oh, it was no Jordan house ... only 6,000 s.f. for the three of us and the dog, nicely situated on 4 acres with 400 feet of waterfront. But it was nice. Those were the days. Last edited by Nic Name; 01-14-2002 at 07:27 AM. |
01-14-2002, 10:12 AM | #43 | |
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01-14-2002, 07:41 PM | #44 |
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building a barn
I'm starting to gather info and do sketches for my next construction project so I thought I'd lay it in here in case anyones seen anything interesting. I'm going to build a small barn, maybe 20'x32' two story with woodworking shop and hay storage upstairs and room for maybe a dozen sheep, a couple horses, and maybe an attached shed for the chickens. I happen to (by design actually) live in a township with essentially no zoning for out buildings.
I want to do this by myself and on the cheap so that means heavy on local materials and nothing that requires more than one back etc.. I've done timber framing but I'm looking for something different this time around. I find cordwood constuction appealing and can build on a slope so some kind of underground construction might be interesting. Anyway I'm just starting the process so speak up if you've got any brilliant, whimsical, or foolish ideas. |
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