Jesus Loves You ! - Page 4

Cicero · 07-31-2007, 03:14 PM

He he...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp7Gfvbn_Xo

xoxoxoBruce · 07-31-2007, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DanaC

Okay. Own up, whose sins did Jesus die for? Come, on....I've got all night.

Everyone's, but you're put more than your share on him, already.

07-31-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

We just can't tolerate people shoving their beliefs down our throats. Reasonable enough.

I can, as long as they pull-out and spooge their beliefs all over my face... oh... um.. huh... what... what were we talkin' bout'? Oh... yeah...

07-31-2007, 05:29 PM

Crimson Ghost · 07-31-2007, 11:04 PM

If Jesus died for all of mans sins, did He not die for the sins of Judas Iscariot also?

If not, why?

Are not the sins of Pontius Pilate also forgiven?

What of Cain, recognized as the first murderer? Are his sins forgiven?

What is the limit of forgiving?

Are Hitlers sins forgiven?

Pol Pot? Stalin? Jeffery Dahmer?

Just wondering...

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

I can, as long as they pull-out and spooge their beliefs all over my face... oh... um.. huh... what... what were we talkin' bout'? Oh... yeah...

To quote Jeff Foxworthy - "You might be Catholic if..."

Chewbaccus · 08-01-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundae Girl

I sleep in the arms of Bacchus some nights....

So THAT'S who that was...

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Originally Posted by Crimson Ghost

If Jesus died for all of mans sins, did He not die for the sins of Judas Iscariot also?

If not, why?

Are not the sins of Pontius Pilate also forgiven?

What of Cain, recognized as the first murderer? Are his sins forgiven?

What is the limit of forgiving?

Are Hitlers sins forgiven?

Pol Pot? Stalin? Jeffery Dahmer?

Just wondering...

Well, yeah. The way I tend to view un-Murdochian (read: actual) Christian forgiveness is like this. Picture a guy on the sidewalk behind a Psychiatrist Lucy from Peanuts-esque desk. He's handing out free money. Trick is, you gotta ask for it. If you do, cool: here's some money. If you don't, the guy behind the desk will be bummed because hey - why turn down free money and be miserable? But hey, your call.

Root theory of the Crucifixion in its basic sense (which is all I got from sporadic CCD classes as a kid plus amateur theology research of my own) works as follows: "All the bullshit you'd have to go through post-death to get into Heaven? I (Jesus) cut through all that. You don't owe Me anything - it's like that person that walks around and puts a quarter in your parking meter just before it expires. Just ask to be let through the door, and you got it. All I ask is that you not be a schmuck. If you happen to engage in schmuck-like behavior, it's cool, just own up to it and we're golden. Should you choose not to ask to get in, well, it's a bummer but it's your life."

Drax · 08-01-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crimson Ghost

To quote Jeff Foxworthy - "You might be Catholic if..."

AFAIK, "You might be a Catholic if..." was never part of his act.

Crimson Ghost · 08-02-2007, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Drax

AFAIK, "You might be a Catholic if..." was never part of his act.

Yup, you're right.

I meant to say "paraphrase", not "quote".

Gannet495 · 08-07-2007, 08:59 AM

He died for every sin. Sin entered the world through Adam, and the justification of sins by Jesus blood covered all sins.

People benefit from said forgiveness of sins by believing in the Savior that saved them. Jesus clarified what HE considered sin in the book of John:

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

v9: sin = unbelief in Jesus.

So he has cancelled the debt of all individual sin, and it has become that unbelief in Jesus is the only sin remaining.

But, we will all give an account for our works, and for every idle word we speak.

Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Crimson Ghost · 08-08-2007, 02:58 AM

Sin entered the world through Adam?

Does not the Bible say that Eve ate of the fruit of the Tree Of Knowledge, and because of her, man was cursed with "Original Sin"?
===
So he has cancelled the debt of all individual sin, and it has become that unbelief in Jesus is the only sin remaining.

What of murder? A murderer can believe in Jesus. Using your statement, murder is not a sin, if you believe in Jesus.
===
But, we will all give an account for our works,

Fine. I have no problem with that.
===
and for every idle word we speak.

Define "idle word".
What, EXACTLY, is meant by that phrase?
===
And what of those who lived before Jesus?
Those who couldn't follow and worship him?
Are their souls cast into the torment of Hell?
Or did they get a free pass to Heaven?
What of those who do not believe in Jesus or your version of Heaven?
What of the babies murdered on orders of Herod?

What, also, of Longinus? He who pierced the side of the Christ?
What of Barrabbas?
What of Cain?

yesman065 · 08-08-2007, 07:45 AM

OH and answer those questions in your own words
Try it - no cheating either

jester · 08-08-2007, 03:58 PM

"And what of those who lived before Jesus?"

they had priests & prophets. once a year each family would bring a sacrafice and the priest would take it into the temple and make a "burnt sacrafice" for the whole family, to atone for the sins over the past year.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-08-2007, 04:35 PM

The priests ate well.

08-08-2007, 04:44 PM

I'm curious, if homosexuality (that one version of sodomy, no one seems to care about anal or oral sex between married couples, also biblical sodomy and the same abomination) is a sin (the bible does not call it that, but we'll let that go), what are the other 613 abominations?
If they are also sins, why are people not picketing Red Lobster (eating sea bed animals) or tailors (mixed thread garments)?

They are the same.
Perverts are obsessed with sex.

08-08-2007, 04:53 PM

This was divinely inspired… LOL!!!

Theological doctrines:

1. God is satisfied with his works
Gen 1:31
God is dissatisfied with his works.
Gen 6:6
2. God dwells in chosen temples
2 Chron 7:12,16
God dwells not in temples
Acts 7:48
3. God dwells in light
Tim 6:16
God dwells in darkness
1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2
4. God is seen and heard
Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/
Ex 24:9-11
God is invisible and cannot be heard
John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16
5. God is tired and rests
Ex 31:17
God is never tired and never rests
Is 40:28
6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things
Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all
things
Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8
7. God knows the hearts of men
Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12
8. God is all powerful
Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26
God is not all powerful
Judg 1:19
9. God is unchangeable
James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19
God is changeable
Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/
Ex 33:1,3,17,14
10. God is just and impartial
Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25
God is unjust and partial
Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12
11. God is the author of evil
Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25
God is not the author of evil
1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13
12. God gives freely to those who ask
James 1:5/ Luke 11:10
God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving
them
John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17
13. God is to be found by those who seek him
Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17
God is not to be found by those who seek him
Prov 1:28
14. God is warlike
Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15
God is peaceful
Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33
15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious
Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19
God is kind, merciful, and good
James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/
1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8
16. God's anger is fierce and endures long
Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute
Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5
17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings,
sacrifices ,and holy days
Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings,
sacrifices, and holy days.
Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12
18. God accepts human sacrifices
2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39
God forbids human sacrifice
Deut 12:30,31
19. God tempts men
Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13
God tempts no man
James 1:13
20. God cannot lie
Heb 6:18
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive
2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9
21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him
Gen 6:5,7
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him
Gen 8:21
22. God's attributes are revealed in his works.
Rom 1:20
God's attributes cannot be discovered
Job 11:7/ Is 40:28
23. There is but one God
Deut 6:4
There is a plurality of gods
Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

08-08-2007, 02:58 AM	#55
Crimson Ghost Larger than life and twice as ugly. Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,264	Sin entered the world through Adam? Does not the Bible say that Eve ate of the fruit of the Tree Of Knowledge, and because of her, man was cursed with "Original Sin"? === So he has cancelled the debt of all individual sin, and it has become that unbelief in Jesus is the only sin remaining. What of murder? A murderer can believe in Jesus. Using your statement, murder is not a sin, if you believe in Jesus. === But, we will all give an account for our works, Fine. I have no problem with that. === and for every idle word we speak. Define "idle word". What, EXACTLY, is meant by that phrase? === And what of those who lived before Jesus? Those who couldn't follow and worship him? Are their souls cast into the torment of Hell? Or did they get a free pass to Heaven? What of those who do not believe in Jesus or your version of Heaven? What of the babies murdered on orders of Herod? What, also, of Longinus? He who pierced the side of the Christ? What of Barrabbas? What of Cain? __________________ We must all go through a rite of passage. It must be physical, it must be painful, and it must leave a mark. I have no knowledge of the events which you are describing, and if I did have knowledge of them, I would be unable to discuss them with you now or at any future period. Don't waste your time always searching for those wasted years

08-08-2007, 04:35 PM	#58
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	The priests ate well. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-31-2007, 03:14 PM	#46
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	He he... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp7Gfvbn_Xo

08-07-2007, 08:59 AM	#54
Gannet495 Disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, God's Son Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	He died for every sin. Sin entered the world through Adam, and the justification of sins by Jesus blood covered all sins. People *benefit* from said forgiveness of sins by believing in the Savior that saved them. Jesus clarified what HE considered sin in the book of John: Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; Joh 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. v9: sin = unbelief in Jesus. So he has cancelled the debt of all individual sin, and it has become that unbelief in Jesus is the only sin remaining. But, we will all give an account for our works, and for every idle word we speak. Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

08-08-2007, 07:45 AM	#56
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	OH and answer those questions in your own words Try it - no cheating either

08-08-2007, 03:58 PM	#57
jester why so serious Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,712	"And what of those who lived before Jesus?" they had priests & prophets. once a year each family would bring a sacrafice and the priest would take it into the temple and make a "burnt sacrafice" for the whole family, to atone for the sins over the past year.

08-08-2007, 04:44 PM	#59
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	I'm curious, if homosexuality (that one version of sodomy, no one seems to care about anal or oral sex between married couples, also biblical sodomy and the same abomination) is a sin (the bible does not call it that, but we'll let that go), what are the other 613 abominations? If they are also sins, why are people not picketing Red Lobster (eating sea bed animals) or tailors (mixed thread garments)? They are the same. Perverts are obsessed with sex.

08-08-2007, 04:53 PM	#60
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	This was divinely inspired… LOL!!! Theological doctrines: 1. God is satisfied with his works Gen 1:31 God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6 2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16 God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48 3. God dwells in light Tim 6:16 God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2 4. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/ Ex 24:9-11 God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16 5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17 God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28 6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things Prov 15:3/ Ps 139:7-10/ Job 34:22,21 God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things Gen 11:5/ Gen 18:20,21/ Gen 3:8 7. God knows the hearts of men Acts 1:24/ Ps 139:2,3 God tries men to find out what is in their heart Deut 13:3/ Deut 8:2/ Gen 22:12 8. God is all powerful Jer 32:27/ Matt 19:26 God is not all powerful Judg 1:19 9. God is unchangeable James 1:17/ Mal 3:6/ Ezek 24:14/ Num 23:19 God is changeable Gen 6:6/ Jonah 3:10/ 1 Sam 2:30,31/ 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6/ Ex 33:1,3,17,14 10. God is just and impartial Ps 92:15/ Gen 18:25/ Deut 32:4/ Rom 2:11/ Ezek 18:25 God is unjust and partial Gen 9:25/ Ex 20:5/ Rom 9:11-13/ Matt 13:12 11. God is the author of evil Lam 3:38/ Jer 18:11/ Is 45:7/ Amos 3:6/ Ezek 20:25 God is not the author of evil 1 Cor 14:33/ Deut 32:4/ James 1:13 12. God gives freely to those who ask James 1:5/ Luke 11:10 God withholds his blessings and prevents men from receiving them John 12:40/ Josh 11:20/ Is 63:17 13. God is to be found by those who seek him Matt 7:8/ Prov 8:17 God is not to be found by those who seek him Prov 1:28 14. God is warlike Ex 15:3/ Is 51:15 God is peaceful Rom 15:33/ 1 Cor 14:33 15. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious Jer 13:14/ Deut 7:16/ 1 Sam 15:2,3/ 1 Sam 6:19 God is kind, merciful, and good James 5:11/ Lam 3:33/ 1 Chron 16:34/ Ezek 18:32/ Ps 145:9/ 1 Tim 2:4/ 1 John 4:16/ Ps 25:8 16. God's anger is fierce and endures long Num 32:13/ Num 25:4/ Jer 17:4 God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute Ps 103:8/ Ps 30:5 17. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings, sacrifices ,and holy days Ex 29:36/ Lev 23:27/ Ex 29:18/ Lev 1:9 God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings, sacrifices, and holy days. Jer 7:22/ Jer 6:20/ Ps 50:13,4/ Is 1:13,11,12 18. God accepts human sacrifices 2 Sam 21:8,9,14/ Gen 22:2/ Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39 God forbids human sacrifice Deut 12:30,31 19. God tempts men Gen 22:1/ 2 Sam 24:1/ Jer 20:7/ Matt 6:13 God tempts no man James 1:13 20. God cannot lie Heb 6:18 God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits t deceive 2 Thes 2:11/ 1 Kings 22:23/ Ezek 14:9 21. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him Gen 6:5,7 Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him Gen 8:21 22. God's attributes are revealed in his works. Rom 1:20 God's attributes cannot be discovered Job 11:7/ Is 40:28 23. There is but one God Deut 6:4 There is a plurality of gods Gen 1:26/ Gen 3:22/ Gen 18:1-3/ 1 John 5:7

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