Women Are Not Equal

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

You can't know that yet.

Originally Posted by sexobon

Rattling their sabers, preaching to the choir. They [those who later marched] didn't convince one single person who didn't vote in the last Presidential election to go out and vote [during the last election] in consonance with their cause. Couldn't have been very important.

(bet you had to think about that one)

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[sexobon]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

But the preaching to the choir was just the performance. The message to the rest is conveyed by the media, and social media, on both sides of the issue.
What about the 40% who didn't vote, would they if this issue was a referendum on the ballot? Is this "the" issue which would spur them in action?

No, those days are gone.

[Pico and ME]

Originally Posted by sexobon

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You cant predict the effect the march will have. So you don't know how it will effect the next election to come - midterms.

[sexobon]

The indicators are that it will have a negligible effect.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Originally Posted by Pico and ME

You cant predict the effect the march will have. So you don't know how it will effect the next election to come - midterms.

You forget, as a long time, nonelected, government employee, his hopes for a better government, society, and world, have been beaten into stoicism by reality. Also he loves to play devils advocate.


I must admit I'm pretty pessimistic myself, but it won't stop me from cheering them on.

[sexobon]

NOT!

[Mountain Mule]

Originally Posted by Pamela

Welcome! We are an eclectic bunch and 'interesting' is one of the least of the things we are. We are so much more!

Make yourself comfortable, pull up a chair, Jim used to administer the quiz, but I think that has been waived.

A quiz? Eeek! I'm terrible at quizzes and I suspect you guys could probably provide a very clever one to trip this poor old mule up. Besides, I've already figured out that 4 + 5 = 9 and that the seven letter name for the highest mountain in the world is "Everest" when I registered. Could that count for the quiz?

[xoxoxoBruce]

This is like a montessori school quiz, there are no wrong answers.

[sexobon]

The current quiz is in this thread: https://cellar.org/showthread.php?p=980833#post980833

You can answer the questions any way you want, it's primarily for fun. I just took it 'cause I recently changed my user title which makes me a born again Cellar dwellar.

You can take the quiz; but, you don't have to take it. It's up to you.

[Mountain Mule]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Polemic, a strong verbal or written attack on someone or something.
I'm confused by your statement... which ain't hard
Are you referring to one of the quoted articles or one of the posts, all, none of the above?

We're an opinionate bunch, and willing to "share" our opinions. But it's not personal, "attacks" aren't directed at the person (except in a few cases cough tw cough), but to make my point, and shout down the dumb bastard who doesn't agree with me.

Seriously though, stick around and jump it anytime you like, I'm sure you have things to contribute.

Oh my goodness! No, no - my reply was certainly not intended as some sort of personal attack. The word just came to mind when I read Brandi Atkinson's post that Classicman quoted.

I feel that Brandi Atkinson's words were rather over the top, and as a woman, I disagree with a number of the statements she made. I also found it interesting that she would be quoted by a man. I couldn't help but wonder if Classicman was using Atkinson to disagree with your thesis that "Women Are Not Equal."

Women are NOT equal. For example, Atkinson states that she has control over her own body. This may be true for her, but many women all over the world do NOT have control over their own bodies. Certain tribes in Africa still practice female circumcision, a horribly painful and degrading mutilation of a women's body done to young girls who have no say in the matter. Many low income women in a growing number of states in the US are being denied access to Planned Parenthood and other medical facilities where they could obtain information and be provided with appropriate birth control methods. The same is true of access to safe abortions - even early term ones - in the case of unwanted pregnancies. I believe it is the state of Texas that has come up with a rule that fetal matter from miscarriages and abortions should be buried as if they were babies who had died soon after a normal 9 month pregnancy. Good grief! What's next? Will women be required to bury tampons in a series of separate little graves each month? The state of Indiana has also mandated the burial or cremation of embryonic cells from early abortions and miscarriages.

I majored in biology in college and one of my required classes was Embryology. We were all required to chloroform live mice in various stages of pregnancy in a bell jar and make microscopic slides of the fetal matter once we had dissected mama mouse. I saw with my own eyes that a mouse zygote is NOT a complete replica of a cute tiny mouse, but rather an interesting assortment of cells with a shape peculiar to the early stages of embryonic development. A human zygote or embryo at 8 weeks or so is not much different. So, not only do women not have complete control over their own bodies, a woman in Texas or Indiana doesn't even have a say over a few hundred cells her body may happen to produce. Craziness!

Thus, my use of the word "polemic" the definition of which is explained in some detail by Wikipedia:


~snip~ A polemic (/pəˈlɛmɪk/) is contentious rhetoric that is intended to support a specific position. Polemics are mostly seen in arguments about controversial topics. The practice of such argumentation is called polemics.

Polemics often concern issues in religion or politics. A polemic style of writing was common in Ancient Greece, as in the writings of the historian Polybius. Polemic again became common in medieval and early modern times. Since then, famous polemicists have included the satirist Jonathan Swift, the socialist philosopher Karl Marx, the novelist George Orwell and the linguist Noam Chomsky. ~snip~

If I inadvertently attacked Classicman with a Marxist writing style, I most humbly apologize.

Did I pass the quiz?

[sexobon]

We don't do the Kobayashi Maru.

[xoxoxoBruce]

No no, I didn't think you were attacking anyone, by using polemic I thought you deduced we were attacking each other. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I think the rest of my post is safe.

That wasn't the quiz, as sexobon pointed out in the post before yours.

[Gravdigr]

Originally Posted by sexobon

You can take the quiz; but, you don't have to take it.

It is the same price.[/RonWhite]

[footfootfoot]

Some are more equal than others.

[classicman]

Originally Posted by limey

Classic, of course you are right to quote Brandi's opinion in full. There are, indeed, many countries where women are worse off, far worse off than they are in the States. But not one of those points negates what Dina Leygerman says.

Wasn't intended to, but thanks.

Originally Posted by sexobon

I just took it 'cause I recently changed my user title...

Yeh, like 7-8 YEARS ago.