Armed America - Page 6

Shawnee123 · 02-05-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

There are much easier ways for them to get guns.

Yeah, walk into Wally World and plop down a few bucks.

Elspode · 02-05-2007, 09:19 AM

I am a former gun owner/frequent shooter. My interests have shifted, but I have nothing against people owning guns, and would own some again now that my kids are grown...if I could justify the expense. And I'm pretty damn Liberal compared to Maggie and UG.

I am of the "if you didn't want to get shot, why were you stealing my car stereo?" school for the most part. Yes, I know that would be illegal. But, Liberal or no, I do believe that the fear of getting shot is a powerful deterrent to the criminal element. Also, I'm Liberal enough to not want the police and the army to be the only ones in my country who have guns. It strikes me as unfair.

MaggieL · 02-05-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

Yeah, walk into Wally World and plop down a few bucks.

Criminals can't buy guns at Wally World.

MaggieL · 02-05-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Hippikos

Gun owners seem always so defensive.

The phrases describing gun owners who aren't defensive are "former gun owners" or "citizens disarmed by their own government".

Shawnee123 · 02-05-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Criminals can't buy guns at Wally World.

I didn't think there was a background check.

Unfortunately, the lady who is pissed off at her husband and his mistress (insert situation here) can, but that's just a criminal wannabe.

Spexxvet · 02-05-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I didn't specify what you were afraid of, I only reasoned fear is the only thing that would make you care .... and I was right.
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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

There's a difference between fear of guns and fear of getting shot to death. I also care that you have guns because it doesn't take much for your gun to get into the hands of a "criminal". Then there's the general dislike I have for death.

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

If it's not fear, then why do you care if I have guns or not?

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

No.

The hoplophobes I referred to clearly are not in any of the pictures.

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Never heard of hoplophobia? Most people haven't. The made-up word to describe people who fear guns hasn't caught on. Not even longtime gun enthusiasts are familiar with the term.

The fear frefered to in this thread, and to which Maggie refers by hoplophobia is the fear of guns, nothing else.

02-05-2007, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NoBoxes

XoB, generally speaking, "gun owners seem always so defensive"; because, THEY ARE defensive and THEY "CARE" enough to be active defensive rather than passive defensive. You may take Hippikos' statement as a compliment.

We are defensive because people keep trying to take our guns and restrict our Constitutional right to own and carry them, unrestricted.
If that stops, we will have no reason to be defensive... it is quite simple. They know that, they are playing stupid when they act like they don't know why we are insulted by their actions and attempts at actions.

MaggieL · 02-05-2007, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Shawnee123

I didn't think there was a background check.

Your failure to think isn't a good reason to spread misinformation.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/nicsindex.htm

MaggieL · 02-05-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

However, when I see a gun in the hands of a loony, I feel fear...

How do you identify loonies? Because they have a gun? Or because they just "look that way"?

02-05-2007, 01:34 PM

Yeah, that post, earlier, made me laugh.

xoxoxoBruce · 02-05-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Aliantha

I didn't specify what you were afraid of, I only reasoned fear is the only thing that would make you care .... and I was right.

Actually, according to research, fear is at the root of anger, not caring.

I don't think you have to fear something to think it's wrong. Of course, you could argue that there is a root fear, but that's based on a lot more things than the simple emotion brought about which is named fear. For example, I don't see a gun and immediately feel afraid. As has been pointed out, it's an inanimate object. However, when I see a gun in the hands of a loony, I feel fear, which is employed as my defense mechanism. I personally think there's a big distinction there.

What does everyone else think?

Nonsense. Would you care if I had a kitten? Would you care if I had a boat? Would you care if I had a toaster? No, you only care if I have a gun, because you're not afraid of what I will do with a kitten, boat or toaster.

The only reason you care, the only reason you think you're entitled to pass judgement, is your fear. :p

Flint · 02-05-2007, 01:58 PM

There are rational and irrational fears, right? Like: fear of fire, fear of heights, these are probably pretty good, instinctive responses.
Fear of deadly weapons, this seems to fall in the rational category. Fear of kittens or toasters, these would be irrational. ...

btw: I'll take my answer "off the air" ...I don't plan to spend the next 50 posts defending a position I haven't stated. I know how these "debates" get.

02-05-2007, 02:01 PM

Fear of a tool that is not being pointed at you is irrational... a car or pneumatic nail-gun is equally as dangerous as a gun (many of tools & poisons I have worked with are more dangerous than my guns), I don't see people freaking-out about them.
Irrational fear.

Spexxvet · 02-05-2007, 02:34 PM

Is anyone here afraid of Russian nukes? Afraid of nuclear weapons getting into the hands of Al Qaeda? Afraid of North Korea getting nukes? If you are, why? If you're not, why not?

Spexxvet · 02-05-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

Criminals can't buy guns at Wally World.

How about future criminals?

02-05-2007, 09:19 AM	#77
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	I am a former gun owner/frequent shooter. My interests have shifted, but I have nothing against people owning guns, and would own some again now that my kids are grown...if I could justify the expense. And I'm pretty damn Liberal compared to Maggie and UG. I am of the "if you didn't want to get shot, why were you stealing my car stereo?" school for the most part. Yes, I know that would be illegal. But, Liberal or no, I do believe that the fear of getting shot is a powerful deterrent to the criminal element. Also, I'm Liberal enough to not want the police and the army to be the only ones in my country who have guns. It strikes me as unfair. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

02-05-2007, 01:58 PM	#87
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Fear There are rational and irrational fears, right? Like: fear of fire, fear of heights, these are probably pretty good, instinctive responses. Fear of deadly weapons, this seems to fall in the rational category. Fear of kittens or toasters, these would be irrational. ... btw: I'll take my answer "off the air" ...I don't plan to spend the next 50 posts defending a position I haven't stated. I know how these "debates" get. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-05-2007, 02:34 PM	#89
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Is anyone here afraid of Russian nukes? Afraid of nuclear weapons getting into the hands of Al Qaeda? Afraid of North Korea getting nukes? If you are, why? If you're not, why not? __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

02-05-2007, 01:34 PM	#85
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah, that post, earlier, made me laugh.

02-05-2007, 02:01 PM	#88
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Fear of a tool that is not being pointed at you is irrational... a car or pneumatic nail-gun is equally as dangerous as a gun (many of tools & poisons I have worked with are more dangerous than my guns), I don't see people freaking-out about them. Irrational fear.

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