The doom of the rich, the blessing of the poor - Page 3

freshnesschronic · 08-04-2007, 09:16 PM

Intriguing.

I agree with Flint on this one. If I want to watch High School Music for the 4th time in a month then shiet, I will, for the complex reason of no particular reason.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-04-2007, 11:26 PM

Fine, watch it all you want. But if you then come here and bitch about how annoying it is, expect someone to question why you keep watching it. Duh

skysidhe · 08-04-2007, 11:33 PM

I notice that sometimes people say they agree with flint but they never say which part of what is said they are agreeing with.

I understand your interpretaton of what you think he said though Fress. No disrepect just an observation.

Bruce wasn't being a total ass. He did through some humor in there I saw that much and he wasn't the first one to throw a jab either. It was a relavant question in light of the obssession with christianity.

freshnesschronic · 08-04-2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Fine, watch it all you want. But if you then come here and bitch about how annoying it is, expect someone to question why you keep watching it. Duh

I didn't think Rk was bitching, or did I get that wrong. I'm seriously merely asking.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-04-2007, 11:53 PM

That's why I was merely asking him a question instead of giving him a raft of shit.

yesman065 · 08-06-2007, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by skysidhe

I am pessimisstic enough about TV evangelists to wonder when he too will be corrupted like the rest. I hope not.

Who says he hasn't already been?

It just bothers me that these guys get rich as shit from typically poor uneducated people.

08-06-2007, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Yes it was a simple question.
It obviously annoys him and he has no reason he has to watch that dork.
I find changing the channel to be 100% effective in those situations. I do it for Dr Phil, that Nun with the eye patch, and of course all that's pornographic.

OK, that last one might be stretching it a little.

Know thy enemy. Plus, I find him in particular, to be hilarious, he's an idiot.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-06-2007, 09:57 PM

OK, entertainment value... they are good for that.

Gannet495 · 08-07-2007, 08:40 AM

Act 2:40-47
(40) And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
(41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
(42) And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
(43) And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
(44) And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
(45) And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
(46) And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
(47) Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

v44: the BELIEVERS had ALL THINGS COMMON

The doctrine of selling what you have to give to the poor is not something that CAN OR SHOULD be implemented on a state level, or else, yes, it would be communism (to some extent). The -willing- (believers) of the doctrine of the apostles, as described in Acts and also mentioned by Jesus, were the ones that sold all and SHARED all as each had need.

So yes, if a rich person sells all and gives to the poor, they too become poor, but then they also find themselves with several benefits:

1) more friends (Luk 16:9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.)

2) reward in heaven: (Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.)

3) a clear conscience, especially if you have gained your wealth from deceit and robbery, and you will also ease the plight of the poor around you, which should hopefully make you feel good about yourself.

4) in the early church, it was not just 1 person selling all, there were multiple people laying their wealth at the feet of the apostles, which was then distributed to all IN the church, and they ALL worked to make money, so that when ONE part of the body of Christ was in lack, it could be supplemented by ANOTHER (richer in material wealth) part which lacked not.

Thus leading the church into greater unity, as Jesus intended, and causing the people in that church to have a vested interest in the church and in one another. They, having stored their treasures in heaven through GIVING (giving is like putting your money into an eternal bank), then focus their thoughts on Jesus and the less fortunate among them, loving one another AS themselves.

Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Do you wish men would give you $5 if they have lots of extra money? Then the law, according to God here in v7:12, is that you give to others. Whatsoever you would have men do unto you. Would you have someone compliment you on your clothing or whatever? Do it to someone else first. That's the essence of love, and that's why giving everything away isn't as preposterous of an idea as it sounds. I'll address some of your other replies in an upcoming post.

But consider, if you see some preacher on tv, and he's filthy rich, do you really think the love of God dwells in him?? when there are so many poor there? that is why the power of God has left large portions of the church and healings no longer occur, because God is very irritated at the "prosperity" movement as some call it.

What is the VERY FIRST part of the sermon on the mount??

(Mat 5:3) Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
(Luk 6:20) And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

The poor are blessed. But the rich? who have everything they need in this life, all the comfort, all that consolation?

Luk 6:24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

You can either have it here or there. Here lasts 120y or so max, there lasts an eternity. So, --- GIVE --- and put your treasures in heaven. Help those in need. Is that such a foreign concept to you all?

Gannet495 · 08-07-2007, 08:42 AM

> It just bothers me that these guys get rich as shit from typically poor uneducated people.

You and God both... but God will repay them for their own lack of charity and their hypocrisy. He knows who belongs to him.

DanaC · 08-07-2007, 08:47 AM

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Help those in need. Is that such a foreign concept to you all?

Giving, and helping those in need is not a foreign concept to most people on this forum. I give and I try to help those in need, as best I am able. I do not do this because I have hopes of investing in some mythical, eternal, afterlife.

08-07-2007, 02:37 PM

Luke!... you quote Luke where Jesus tells us to hate our parents and kids?
LOL!!!

Gannet495 · 08-07-2007, 06:20 PM

> Luke!... you quote Luke where Jesus tells us to hate our parents and kids?

In comparison to our love for God, who MADE us [and our parents and kids], it should be far greater than our love for any other being. Even if we can't see God, we know he made us, and he made everything we enjoy, see, touch, etc, so as such our love for our parents (etc) should be, in comparison, hate, compared to how much we love God. However we're equally commanded to love others as Jesus has loved us. You understand the teaching method of exaggeration yes? That's what Jesus was using in Luke. Much like he talked about cutting off one's own hand rather than ever sin with that hand again, it is a style of teaching used to emphasize the dire importance and necessity of a given doctrine (i.e. loving God, or in the latter case, stopping sinning/repenting).

Gannet495 · 08-07-2007, 06:22 PM

> Giving, and helping those in need is not a foreign concept to most people on this forum. I give and I try to help those in need, as best I am able. I do not do this because I have hopes of investing in some mythical, eternal, afterlife.

So, what, do you just suppose that anyone who has ever committed a crime, but was never caught by police for it, will simply die and stop existing and just get away with it? There is a final day of judgment, and the afterlife is no more mythical than I am.

Happy Monkey · 08-07-2007, 06:23 PM

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`When you say "hill,"' the Queen interrupted, `I could show you hills, in comparison with which you'd call that a valley.'

`No, I shouldn't,' said Alice, surprised into contradicting her at last: `a hill can't be a valley, you know. That would be nonsense -- '

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08-04-2007, 11:26 PM	#32
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Fine, watch it all you want. But if you then come here and bitch about how annoying it is, expect someone to question why you keep watching it. Duh __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-04-2007, 11:53 PM	#35
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's why I was merely asking him a question instead of giving him a raft of shit. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-06-2007, 09:57 PM	#38
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	OK, entertainment value... they are good for that. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-07-2007, 02:37 PM	#42
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	Luke!... you quote Luke where Jesus tells us to hate our parents and kids? LOL!!! Last edited by rkzenrage; 08-07-2007 at 02:48 PM.

08-04-2007, 09:16 PM	#31
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	Intriguing. I agree with Flint on this one. If I want to watch High School Music for the 4th time in a month then shiet, I will, for the complex reason of no particular reason.

08-04-2007, 11:33 PM	#33
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	I notice that sometimes people say they agree with flint but they never say which part of what is said they are agreeing with. I understand your interpretaton of what you think he said though Fress. No disrepect just an observation. Bruce wasn't being a total ass. He did through some humor in there I saw that much and he wasn't the first one to throw a jab either. It was a relavant question in light of the obssession with christianity.

08-07-2007, 08:40 AM	#39
Gannet495 Disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, God's Son Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	Act 2:40-47 (40) And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. (41) Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. (42) And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers. (43) And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles. (44) And all that believed were together, and had all things common; (45) And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need. (46) And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, (47) Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved. v44: the BELIEVERS had ALL THINGS COMMON The doctrine of selling what you have to give to the poor is not something that CAN OR SHOULD be implemented on a state level, or else, yes, it would be communism (to some extent). The -willing- (believers) of the doctrine of the apostles, as described in Acts and also mentioned by Jesus, were the ones that sold all and SHARED all as each had need. So yes, if a rich person sells all and gives to the poor, they too become poor, but then they also find themselves with several benefits: 1) more friends (Luk 16:9 And I say unto you, Make to yourselves friends of the mammon of unrighteousness; that, when ye fail, they may receive you into everlasting habitations.) 2) reward in heaven: (Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you, good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.) 3) a clear conscience, especially if you have gained your wealth from deceit and robbery, and you will also ease the plight of the poor around you, which should hopefully make you feel good about yourself. 4) in the early church, it was not just 1 person selling all, there were multiple people laying their wealth at the feet of the apostles, which was then distributed to all IN the church, and they ALL worked to make money, so that when ONE part of the body of Christ was in lack, it could be supplemented by ANOTHER (richer in material wealth) part which lacked not. Thus leading the church into greater unity, as Jesus intended, and causing the people in that church to have a vested interest in the church and in one another. They, having stored their treasures in heaven through GIVING (giving is like putting your money into an eternal bank), then focus their thoughts on Jesus and the less fortunate among them, loving one another AS themselves. Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. Do you wish men would give you $5 if they have lots of extra money? Then the law, according to God here in v7:12, is that you give to others. Whatsoever you would have men do unto you. Would you have someone compliment you on your clothing or whatever? Do it to someone else first. That's the essence of love, and that's why giving everything away isn't as preposterous of an idea as it sounds. I'll address some of your other replies in an upcoming post. But consider, if you see some preacher on tv, and he's filthy rich, do you really think the love of God dwells in him?? when there are so many poor there? that is why the power of God has left large portions of the church and healings no longer occur, because God is very irritated at the "prosperity" movement as some call it. What is the VERY FIRST part of the sermon on the mount?? (Mat 5:3) Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Luk 6:20) And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. The poor are blessed. But the rich? who have everything they need in this life, all the comfort, all that consolation? Luk 6:24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. You can either have it here or there. Here lasts 120y or so max, there lasts an eternity. So, --- GIVE --- and put your treasures in heaven. Help those in need. Is that such a foreign concept to you all?

08-07-2007, 08:42 AM	#40
Gannet495 Disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, God's Son Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	> It just bothers me that these guys get rich as shit from typically poor uneducated people. You and God both... but God will repay them for their own lack of charity and their hypocrisy. He knows who belongs to him.

08-07-2007, 06:20 PM	#43
Gannet495 Disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, God's Son Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	> Luke!... you quote Luke where Jesus tells us to hate our parents and kids? In comparison to our love for God, who MADE us [and our parents and kids], it should be far greater than our love for any other being. Even if we can't see God, we know he made us, and he made everything we enjoy, see, touch, etc, so as such our love for our parents (etc) should be, in comparison, hate, compared to how much we love God. However we're equally commanded to love others as Jesus has loved us. You understand the teaching method of exaggeration yes? That's what Jesus was using in Luke. Much like he talked about cutting off one's own hand rather than ever sin with that hand again, it is a style of teaching used to emphasize the dire importance and necessity of a given doctrine (i.e. loving God, or in the latter case, stopping sinning/repenting).

08-07-2007, 06:22 PM	#44
Gannet495 Disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, God's Son Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	> Giving, and helping those in need is not a foreign concept to most people on this forum. I give and I try to help those in need, as best I am able. I do not do this because I have hopes of investing in some mythical, eternal, afterlife. So, what, do you just suppose that anyone who has ever committed a crime, but was never caught by police for it, will simply die and stop existing and just get away with it? There is a final day of judgment, and the afterlife is no more mythical than I am.

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