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11-05-2006, 07:04 PM | #1 | |||
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My wife saw this story on the news and told me about it tonight. It seems to have picked up some steam.
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11-05-2006, 07:12 PM | #2 |
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Maybe her finger flipping was the last in a long list of indiscretions...
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11-05-2006, 07:22 PM | #3 |
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How many bus drives in that district have a record of flipping off presidents in the last 25 years? She embarrased the entire school and acted like a juvinile with her display. If she flipped off someone in traffic, bad, but not grounds for firing. Flipping off the president in front of everyone, sorry, you're gone.
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11-05-2006, 08:41 PM | #4 | |
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11-05-2006, 07:29 PM | #5 |
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The office of the presidency does deserve respect.
The one in office doesn't. Simple as that.
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11-05-2006, 07:33 PM | #6 |
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It's not a choice a bus driver can make while she's under the payrole of an organization. Whether you think he deserves respect is your opinion, and in that situation she shouldn't have felt so free to fling it on everyone.
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11-05-2006, 07:38 PM | #7 |
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Let's just deify the m m as well.
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11-06-2006, 10:16 PM | #8 | |
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I was vividly reminded of just why last week when I read Dereliction Of Duty. Simple as that, really. The anti-Bush crowd does not impress me. Dear God, their idea of their best standard-bearer was a scrub like John Forbes Kerry. They are a lot of stupid hysterics, and I'd rather they weren't in my republic. The dopes make us look bad.
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11-05-2006, 09:35 PM | #9 |
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I can't believe people think that flipping off the president is such a big thing. I've seen plenty of people online and in real life denegrate him to the nth degree and they don't get fired.
I don't see the difference personally. In fact, maybe he wasn't in hearing distance and that's why she opted for the visual expression of her disatisfaction with the way he's running the country.
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11-05-2006, 09:40 PM | #10 |
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It's not the fact that she did it, it's when she chose to make her opinions known to all. And I'm not really saying that she absolutely needed to be canned over this, I just saying that the district does have grounds to be pissed about it, and that it was inappropriate in that circumstance.
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11-06-2006, 09:10 AM | #11 | |
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Second, is it even a crime? And if not, why should there be any punishment at all? Third, what's next? If you go to Africa, return to the US and voice opposition to the president, should your wife be outed as a CIA agent? Oh wait, that already happened, so it can't be "next". Hey, I sense a pattern here...
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11-06-2006, 09:52 AM | #12 | |
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11-05-2006, 09:47 PM | #13 |
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Well the kids probably couldn't see what she did if she was sitting behind the wheel of the vehicle, so there's one reason why the level of inappropriacy may not be as low as you might be suggesting.
Anyway, I don't think there's enough facts being offered for anyone to really know what happened. The act in itself I don't think was wrong, particularly if the children couldn't see. Your country prides itself on freedom of expression etc, yet constantly the world outside sees people being crucified (in this case fired) for voicing their opinions. Maybe that's why we others find it hard to understand you lot from time to time.
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11-06-2006, 10:36 AM | #14 | ||
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I'll do my research another time, maybe.
This is a local story, one which I have followed with some interest. Some background. Reichert is a former Sherriff around here, and a respected one. He made his run for congress successfully in the 8th district (not my district--across the lake from me). He is being vigorously opposed by Darcy Burner, a political newcomer. There have been conflicting stories about how the incidents unfolded, and my best understanding of the facts and timelines goes like this: Bus waits for motorcade to drive by. As kids all wave out the window at Limo One, so does bus driver. Reichert notices and remarks to GWB "That ones' not a fan." Motorcade and bus continue on their merry ways. Later... Reichert calls the superintendent to "inform him of the situation". I have heard different timeframes for the this call from the day after to weeks after. I'm inclined to believe the shorter timeframes. Bus driver is fired. Reasons given also vary from "giving the finger" to "unprofessional conduct" to "letting the kids see the finger". Also, reports that a case for termination had been building previous to this incident. I am inclined to believe the building case theory. I am inclined to believe that the "letting the kids see" part is like spiking the ball in the end zone. It has nothing to do with the part of the action that counts, but it's the part that makes the highlights. The part I find hypocritical is the feed coming from the Reichert campaign where on the one hand he says he didn't get her fired and on the other hand where he boasts, implying he got her fired. The reason I chafe at these two different spins is that they're coming from the same source, Reichert, but to two different audiences. Reichert's pandering, textbook pandering. And if he'll whore himself out like this for the promise of a vote, what will he do for higher stakes once in office? Here's a quote from the local media: Quote:
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11-06-2006, 11:28 AM | #15 |
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Any school bus driver who flips anyone off while driving the bus should be worried about their job. You are representing the school, not to mention setting an example for the kids in the bus. Employers have the right to expect civilized behavior from the people on their payroll while those people are on the clock.
Why does every incidence of inappropriate behavior get elevated to "Watershed Moment in Freedom of Speech Debate"? She's an undisciplined child, not Rosa Parks. For what it's worth, she would have deserved the same punishment if she had honked her horn and yelled "yay!" at an anti-abortion demonstration while driving school property. Firing might have been harsh, but it was by no means unjust. Reichert's assholery, if that's what it is, is secondary to the issue.
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