Terri Schiavo's Parents Seek Divorce on Her Behalf - Page 4

Pie · 03-21-2005, 08:53 AM

Here's something weird I found on Wikipedia:

Quote:

Hydranencephaly
This is a rare condition in which the cerebral hemispheres are absent and replaced by sacs filled with cerebrospinal fluid. Usually the cerebellum and brainstem are formed normally. An infant with hydranencephaly may appear normal at birth. The infant's head size and spontaneous reflexes such as sucking, swallowing, crying, and moving the arms and legs may all seem normal.
[...]
Diagnosis may be delayed for several months because the infant's early behavior appears to be relatively normal. [...]
The outlook for children with hydranencephaly is poor. Death generally occurs before age 1.

How strange!
I personally think the parents are off their rocker -- there's nothing left but the brainstem. Besides which, they have no rights at all in this case. When you get married, your legal next-of-kin is your spouse. That's just one of the many legal changes that you've just entered into.
If you don't trust your spouse, file a medical power of attorney. I know a person who did just that, and given his mother the poa because his wife would have tried to keep him alive.
Terri didn't get a medical power of attorney. Therefore her husband gets to make all the calls. Period.

- Pie

Kitsune · 03-21-2005, 09:05 AM

Besides which, they have no rights at all in this case.

Isn't it amazing that a case that is so simple and should require no debate at all has gained the attention of both Congress and the President and caused them to take actions so wildly unconstitutional that the forefathers are spinning in their graves?

New term I learned from this event: "Culture of Life", which deems all human life to be blessed, sacred, and protected above all laws.

...except capital punishment, of course.

Happy Monkey · 03-21-2005, 11:48 AM

Troubleshooter · 03-21-2005, 12:40 PM

Bush is an idiot.

The legislature is a bunch of whores.

Bush is using his mandate, and a republican lead house and senate, to do what he wants because he doesn't have to worry about getting reelected.

Let's see what the SCOTUS does with this one. I don't see it lasting very long. Just long enough to hurt somebody.

Radar · 03-21-2005, 03:06 PM

The husband's motives are NOT suspect. He's the only one whose motives have been consistantly pure. He's turned down millions of dollars. He hasn't remarried. He has fought in 13 court cases over 15 years when it would be easier just to walk away, but instead of doing what was easy, he did what his wife wanted him to do. He fought to allow her body to die.

Terri Shiavo the person died 15 years ago. It's about time people stop meddling and let her body die too. The motives of her husband are above reproach. He's an honorable and decent man trying to do the right thing for his wife by carrying out her last wish.

It's got to be horrible to lose a child, but it's time her parents admit she was already lost, and move on.

wolf · 03-22-2005, 12:35 AM

There's more and more information that's coming out that makes Michael Schiavo look worse and worse. Is he really? I don't know. I end up missing lot of good info and interviews because of my work schedule. Did anyone see the one that was supposed to have run tonight, with a doctor who treated Terri fairly early on when she was being provided rehab? According to what I heard (from a late night talk radio listener, so I'm skeptical of the source as a matter of course) Terri was able to verbalize, and was ambulatory to some degree, although she needed to hang onto stuff to get from point A to point B. The therapy stopped when the husband got the settlement from the malpractice suit, Terri was moved into a nursing home and the attempts at rehab were discontinued.

I'm also a bit surprised that nobody's mentioned the best known "right to die" case up to this point, that of Karen Ann Quinlan. Many people remember the fight to terminate her life support. Karen Ann was on a respirator as a consequence of her taking drugs and drinking alcohol at a party. She lapsed into a coma, and was put on a respirator. Her parents fought a long court battle to have her removed from the respirator. What many people don't remember, is that she didn't die. She remained alive, but in a persistent vegetative state for another 10 years until she died of pneumonia.

404Error · 03-22-2005, 01:15 AM

The difference being that Karen's parents were fighting to let her die, Terri's parents want keep her alive. Also I think Karen would have died a lot quicker if they had stopped feeding her like they want to do with Terri.

My personal opinion on this case is that Karen's parents should be allowed to do as they wish with their daughter. The husband seems to have moved on with his life, he got a settlement and has a girlfriend and kids now. I think biological bonds should be considered stronger that marital bonds anyway.

Clodfobble · 03-22-2005, 09:36 AM

Clearly you get along with your parents.

jinx · 03-22-2005, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 404Error

I think biological bonds should be considered stronger that marital bonds anyway.

Which parent? Mine are reduced to spitting and name calling when in proximity, would they have to agree? Or would my husband be the deciding vote anyway?

Has everyone updated their will?

BigV · 03-22-2005, 09:51 AM

First, my sympathies to Michael and Terri, and the Schindlers in this very personal tragedy. Regardless of which "side" I am "on", or you are "on", what has happened is very sad. I will continue to pray for all of them.

Happy Monkey · 03-22-2005, 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 404Error

I think biological bonds should be considered stronger that marital bonds anyway.

Really. So you believe that, in general, the wishes of one or both parents should overrule the wishes of the spouse? Or maybe the spouse should be a tiebreaker if the parents disagree? Or perhaps it should take both parents in agreement to outvote the spouse?

Kitsune · 03-22-2005, 10:44 AM

Really. So you believe that, in general, the wishes of one or both parents should overrule the wishes of the spouse? Or maybe the spouse should be a tiebreaker if the parents disagree? Or perhaps it should take both parents in agreement to outvote the spouse?

It doesn't really matter which anyone thinks is stronger. Legally, marriage makes your next-of-kin your spouse. As for Terri, this was already resolved in an earlier court case in which it her parents agreed that her husband had custody of Terri.

lizthefiz · 03-22-2005, 02:06 PM

I have seen Michael Schiavo on TV over the past 2 weeks being interviewed on several shows. He seems to be selectively espousing his marriage vows. First he says that he vowed to be with Terri in sickness and in health. What happened to forsaking all others. I guess that does not apply to his current fiance.

I am troubled why someone would allow the parents of a disabled person to suffer thru this. Many people have said it is because Schiavo wants to be married again in the Catholic Church. Well the last time a relative of mine tried to get married in our local church to the mother of his out of wedlock child it was a no-go. I doubt that is Mr. Schiavo's motivation.

One last item. I think one of his kids is about 9 years old. What does he tell that child about constantly being on the news regarding his real wife. That poor kid must get tormented in school.

Happy Monkey · 03-22-2005, 02:23 PM

Casting aspersions on his moral character is just as irrelevant as whether you think a parent's bond is stronger than a spouse's. The fact of the matter is that the spouse is the next of kin, and the parents' lawsuits have been frivolous (in the legal sense of the word, I'm sure they were perfectly heartfelt). There is no legal basis at all for overturning his decision, and even less for bumping it up to federal court.

That's the real scandal here. Congress just decided they didn't like a whole string of court decisions, so they wrote a law that said, "Try this case again, and pretend that the other verdicts didn't happen".

Kitsune · 03-22-2005, 02:27 PM

I am troubled why someone would allow the parents of a disabled person to suffer thru this.

I'm troubled as to why the parents are doing this to themselves.

03-21-2005, 11:48 AM	#48
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	__________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-21-2005, 12:40 PM	#49
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Bush is an idiot. The legislature is a bunch of whores. Bush is using his mandate, and a republican lead house and senate, to do what he wants because he doesn't have to worry about getting reelected. Let's see what the SCOTUS does with this one. I don't see it lasting very long. Just long enough to hurt somebody. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

03-21-2005, 03:06 PM	#50
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	The husband's motives are NOT suspect. He's the only one whose motives have been consistantly pure. He's turned down millions of dollars. He hasn't remarried. He has fought in 13 court cases over 15 years when it would be easier just to walk away, but instead of doing what was easy, he did what his wife wanted him to do. He fought to allow her body to die. Terri Shiavo the person died 15 years ago. It's about time people stop meddling and let her body die too. The motives of her husband are above reproach. He's an honorable and decent man trying to do the right thing for his wife by carrying out her last wish. It's got to be horrible to lose a child, but it's time her parents admit she was already lost, and move on. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

03-22-2005, 12:35 AM	#51
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	There's more and more information that's coming out that makes Michael Schiavo look worse and worse. Is he really? I don't know. I end up missing lot of good info and interviews because of my work schedule. Did anyone see the one that was supposed to have run tonight, with a doctor who treated Terri fairly early on when she was being provided rehab? According to what I heard (from a late night talk radio listener, so I'm skeptical of the source as a matter of course) Terri was able to verbalize, and was ambulatory to some degree, although she needed to hang onto stuff to get from point A to point B. The therapy stopped when the husband got the settlement from the malpractice suit, Terri was moved into a nursing home and the attempts at rehab were discontinued. I'm also a bit surprised that nobody's mentioned the best known "right to die" case up to this point, that of Karen Ann Quinlan. Many people remember the fight to terminate her life support. Karen Ann was on a respirator as a consequence of her taking drugs and drinking alcohol at a party. She lapsed into a coma, and was put on a respirator. Her parents fought a long court battle to have her removed from the respirator. What many people don't remember, is that she didn't die. She remained alive, but in a persistent vegetative state for another 10 years until she died of pneumonia. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

03-22-2005, 01:15 AM	#52
404Error Lecturer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: CT USA Posts: 826	The difference being that Karen's parents were fighting to let her die, Terri's parents want keep her alive. Also I think Karen would have died a lot quicker if they had stopped feeding her like they want to do with Terri. My personal opinion on this case is that Karen's parents should be allowed to do as they wish with their daughter. The husband seems to have moved on with his life, he got a settlement and has a girlfriend and kids now. I think biological bonds should be considered stronger that marital bonds anyway. __________________ "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." ~George Mason~

03-21-2005, 09:05 AM	#47
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Besides which, they have no rights at all in this case. Isn't it amazing that a case that is so simple and should require no debate at all has gained the attention of both Congress and the President and caused them to take actions so wildly unconstitutional that the forefathers are spinning in their graves? New term I learned from this event: "Culture of Life", which deems all human life to be blessed, sacred, and protected above all laws. ...except capital punishment, of course.

03-22-2005, 09:36 AM	#53
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Clearly you get along with your parents.

03-22-2005, 09:51 AM	#55
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	First, my sympathies to Michael and Terri, and the Schindlers in this very personal tragedy. Regardless of which "side" I am "on", or you are "on", what has happened is very sad. I will continue to pray for all of them. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

03-22-2005, 10:44 AM	#57
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Really. So you believe that, in general, the wishes of one or both parents should overrule the wishes of the spouse? Or maybe the spouse should be a tiebreaker if the parents disagree? Or perhaps it should take both parents in agreement to outvote the spouse? It doesn't really matter which anyone thinks is stronger. Legally, marriage makes your next-of-kin your spouse. As for Terri, this was already resolved in an earlier court case in which it her parents agreed that her husband had custody of Terri.

03-22-2005, 02:06 PM	#58
lizthefiz Resident-in-Training Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7	I have seen Michael Schiavo on TV over the past 2 weeks being interviewed on several shows. He seems to be selectively espousing his marriage vows. First he says that he vowed to be with Terri in sickness and in health. What happened to forsaking all others. I guess that does not apply to his current fiance. I am troubled why someone would allow the parents of a disabled person to suffer thru this. Many people have said it is because Schiavo wants to be married again in the Catholic Church. Well the last time a relative of mine tried to get married in our local church to the mother of his out of wedlock child it was a no-go. I doubt that is Mr. Schiavo's motivation. One last item. I think one of his kids is about 9 years old. What does he tell that child about constantly being on the news regarding his real wife. That poor kid must get tormented in school.

03-22-2005, 02:23 PM	#59
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	Casting aspersions on his moral character is just as irrelevant as whether you think a parent's bond is stronger than a spouse's. The fact of the matter is that the spouse is the next of kin, and the parents' lawsuits have been frivolous (in the legal sense of the word, I'm sure they were perfectly heartfelt). There is no legal basis at all for overturning his decision, and even less for bumping it up to federal court. That's the real scandal here. Congress just decided they didn't like a whole string of court decisions, so they wrote a law that said, "Try this case again, and pretend that the other verdicts didn't happen". __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-22-2005, 02:27 PM	#60
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	I am troubled why someone would allow the parents of a disabled person to suffer thru this. I'm troubled as to why the parents are doing this to themselves.

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