The Atheist Test

mrnoodle · 11-08-2005, 11:01 AM

Happy Monkey · 11-08-2005, 11:31 AM

heh

Bullitt · 11-08-2005, 02:44 PM

interesting page.. reminds me of an analogy i heard one time: take apart a mechanical watch and throw all the parts in a dryer. would you ever expect a fully function watch with all parts to ever form?

Happy Monkey · 11-08-2005, 02:52 PM

It would almost be an appropriate analogy if watches reproduced.

Clodfobble · 11-08-2005, 10:02 PM

Or if, you know, the very concept of infinity--mind-boggling as it is--didn't in fact say that yes, a fully-functioning watch would eventually form, regardless of what you as a short-sighted human might "expect."

russotto · 11-08-2005, 10:20 PM

A fully functioning watch would never form in such a small and simple system. Fortunately the universe ain't that simple.

A banana is not perforated.

Further, complete knowledge of China is not necessary to prove there is no gold in China. I may have complete knowledge of gold. Or I may know some consequence of the existence of gold in China which I can demonstrate has not happened. (since the statement is false, none comes to mind).

Tonchi · 11-10-2005, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by russotto

A banana is not perforated.

And not only that, the "common grocery store banana" that this group describes as one of God's special creations tailor-made for man is, in fact, a hybrid which was completly designed by scientists (who no doubt practice those evil Darwinism rites) and is fairly recent in time. National Geographic discussed this in a fascinating article recently. These plantation-grown bananas - basically only one variety is planted all over the world for sale to Westerners - are also in immediate danger of extinction due to an unfortunate weakness for disease, and may soon cease to exist commercially. But never fear, those sneaky Darwinists have already been researching other varieties which can be "evolved" into an acceptable substitute.

Even the God Squad ought to check their facts occasionally, just in case

mrnoodle · 11-10-2005, 12:59 PM

Who would have thought? Anne Rice has returned to her faith.

neener neener neener

Troubleshooter · 11-10-2005, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mrnoodle

Who would have thought? Anne Rice has returned to her faith.

neener neener neener

No one ever accused her of being especially bright.

lumberjim · 11-08-2005, 11:54 PM

No one knows if there is a god, no one knows there isn't. Why do we have to know? What difference does it make? If you had irrefutable proof that there was NO god, would you live your life differently?

Do you only do good in hope of reward, or fear of punishment? I don't. I do good because it is good.

Pie · 11-09-2005, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

Do you only do good in hope of reward, or fear of punishment? I don't. I do good because it is good.

russotto · 11-09-2005, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by lumberjim

If you had irrefutable proof that there was NO god, would you live your life differently?

Oh yeah. I'd rub it in the noses of the believers every chance I got.

Sundae · 11-09-2005, 11:26 AM

I'm trying to work out whether the argument would convince me if I didn't dislike bananas so much....

Perhaps I'll just have to accept them as the devil's fruit.

lumberjim · 11-09-2005, 11:38 AM

the creator is natural selection.

bananas don't have legs, so in order to travel, they need to be eaten, carried and deposited elsewhere. does this mean that bananas are intelligent? no. does it mean that GOD had to design them as a finished product? no. it means that bananas have, through natural selection, developed the traits that make them appealing to primates. they fill a niche.

like a puddle that seems to have been created to hold the exact amount of water that fills it up.

creationism is a cop out.

Elspode · 11-09-2005, 04:06 PM

Creationism exists because the human ego holds that humans are *so* much more elevated above the rest of Life as we know it, that we *must* have been designed by someone even higher up the line that ourselves.

Fine. What if that someone was an alien? Would we still believe that it was God, or would the human ego just go, "Well, someone must have created the aliens, then!"?

11-08-2005, 11:01 AM	#1
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11-08-2005, 11:31 AM	#2
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	heh __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-08-2005, 02:44 PM	#3
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	interesting page.. reminds me of an analogy i heard one time: take apart a mechanical watch and throw all the parts in a dryer. would you ever expect a fully function watch with all parts to ever form? __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

11-08-2005, 02:52 PM	#4
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	It would almost be an appropriate analogy if watches reproduced. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-10-2005, 12:59 PM	#8
mrnoodle bent Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: under the weather Posts: 2,656	Who would have thought? Anne Rice has returned to her faith. neener neener neener __________________ Sìn a nall na cuaranan sin. -- Cha mhór is fheairrde thu iad, tha iad coltach ri cat air a dhathadh

11-08-2005, 10:02 PM	#5
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	Or if, you know, the very concept of infinity--mind-boggling as it is--didn't in fact say that yes, a fully-functioning watch would eventually form, regardless of what you as a short-sighted human might "expect."

11-08-2005, 10:20 PM	#6
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	A fully functioning watch would never form in such a small and simple system. Fortunately the universe ain't that simple. A banana is not perforated. Further, complete knowledge of China is not necessary to prove there is no gold in China. I may have complete knowledge of gold. Or I may know some consequence of the existence of gold in China which I can demonstrate has not happened. (since the statement is false, none comes to mind).

11-08-2005, 11:54 PM	#10
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	No one knows if there is a god, no one knows there isn't. Why do we have to know? What difference does it make? If you had irrefutable proof that there was NO god, would you live your life differently? Do you only do good in hope of reward, or fear of punishment? I don't. I do good because it is good. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

11-09-2005, 11:26 AM	#13
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	I'm trying to work out whether the argument would convince me if I didn't dislike bananas so much.... Perhaps I'll just have to accept them as the devil's fruit.

11-09-2005, 11:38 AM	#14
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	the creator is natural selection. bananas don't have legs, so in order to travel, they need to be eaten, carried and deposited elsewhere. does this mean that bananas are intelligent? no. does it mean that GOD had to design them as a finished product? no. it means that bananas have, through natural selection, developed the traits that make them appealing to primates. they fill a niche. like a puddle that seems to have been created to hold the exact amount of water that fills it up. creationism is a cop out. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

11-09-2005, 04:06 PM	#15
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Creationism exists because the human ego holds that humans are so much more elevated above the rest of Life as we know it, that we must have been designed by someone even higher up the line that ourselves. Fine. What if that someone was an alien? Would we still believe that it was God, or would the human ego just go, "Well, someone must have created the aliens, then!"? __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

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