Did you think the Episcopal Church was liberal?

SteveDallas · 11-09-2004, 03:38 PM

Apparently their alleged liberalism does not extend to having druids amongst their priesthood.

glatt · 11-09-2004, 03:50 PM

Well, you have to draw the line somewhere.

I can see the thinkng now... "Women priests? OK. Gay bishops? OK. Druids leading the christian services? Ummmm, nah. That's too much."

Elspode · 11-09-2004, 04:19 PM

You've got to ferret out those filthy Pagans wherever you find them, you know. Hell, this is the Episcopalian version of the CIA being infiltrated by Al Qaeda.

wolf · 11-10-2004, 12:43 AM

I was very amused by the story, particularly given that pagans allow quite a bit of latitude in terms of which of the multiplicity of dieties one chooses to worship, however, the converse is not true of the Episcopal Church of the United States, or of the Anglican Communion in general. I seem to recall a recent article about two British Anglican Bishops having to give up their membership in a British Druidic Order. I'm still looking for that one, but here's BBC article about the induction in August 2002.

Edited to add

As I was doing some additional searching for the article about the resignation from the druid order, I stumbled across something far better ... The Good Dr. Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury, Honorary White Druid, apparently gave approval for a new version of the bible, called Good as New.

I think I have to get one now, if it is anything close to what's described in the article.

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The KJV translation of Matthew 26:69-70 reads: "Now Peter sat without in the palace: and a damsel came unto him, saying, 'Thou also wast with Jesus of Galilee.' But he denied before them all, saying, I know not what thou sayest."

The "Good as New" version?

"Meanwhile Rocky was still sitting in the courtyard. A woman came up to him and said: 'Haven't I seen you with Jesus, the hero from Galilee?" Rocky shook his head and said: 'I don't know what the hell you're talking about!'"

Happy Monkey · 11-10-2004, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by wolf

... pagans allow quite a bit of latitude in terms of which of the multiplicity of dieties one chooses to worship, however, the converse is not true of the Episcopal Church of the United States, or of the Anglican Communion in general.

Um... Or of the entire Christian community in general? Or any of the monotheistic religions? Isn't "you shall worship no other gods before me" pretty much universally interpreted "you shall worship no other gods because they don't exist"?

tw · 11-10-2004, 08:39 AM

Why don't evangelicals ask, "How many times did Christ get laid?" After all, it is a religious experience.

alphageek31337 · 11-10-2004, 09:50 AM

HM: If you pay attention to the Old Testament, Yahweh pretty much makes himself the one God of the Jews, then sets out to prove that he has a bigger dick than all the other Gods in the area. In Genesis, it is worth noting that Cain, having slain Abel, is cast out to the land of Nod where he takes a wife of a tribe of people not created by Yahweh. Later on, in Exodus (I believe), Moses sees the burning bush, and asks what God it actually is, because there are a bunch of them (the Jews being polytheists at the time, but having a different Canon than the enslaving Egyptians). That is, of course, if you take the whole book as rock-hard fact, rather than a series of cool stories that can teach us a lot if you focus less on the slaying of the iniquitous and such...

Happy Monkey · 11-10-2004, 10:14 AM

I know that, I probably should have phrased it like this:

Isn't "you shall worship no other gods before me" pretty much universally interpreted these days as "you shall worship no other gods because they don't exist"?

I.E. I don't think you could find many, if any, current monotheistic religions that would accept a polytheist as clergy, even if they acknowlege that that religion's God is "the best".

OnyxCougar · 11-10-2004, 10:14 AM

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In Genesis, it is worth noting that Cain, having slain Abel, is cast out to the land of Nod where he takes a wife of a tribe of people not created by Yahweh.

Amplified Bible:

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16So Cain went away from the presence of the Lord and dwelt in the land of Nod [wandering], east of Eden.
17And Cain's wife [one of Adam's offspring] became pregnant and bore Enoch; and Cain built a [6] city and named it after his son Enoch.

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Moses sees the burning bush, and asks what God it actually is, because there are a bunch of them

Amplified Bible:

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3And Moses said, I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush is not burned.
4And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the midst of the bush and said, Moses, Moses! And he said, Here am I.
5God said, Do not come near; put your shoes off your feet, for the place on which you stand is holy ground.
6Also He said, I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look at God.

NIV:

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3 So Moses thought, "I will go over and see this strange sight-why the bush does not burn up."
4 When the LORD saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, "Moses! Moses!"
And Moses said, "Here I am."
5 "Do not come any closer," God said. "Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy ground." 6 Then he said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob." At this, Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.

No where does Moses ask which God it is.

OnyxCougar · 11-10-2004, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

Isn't "you shall worship no other gods before me" pretty much universally interpreted these days as "you shall worship no other gods because they don't exist"?

There are two ways I've heard it interpreted:

(1) There are other gods named in the bible (Baal comes immediately to mind)

(2) "Gods" can be interpreted to mean money, alcohol, drugs, anything that you put before God.

And this whole "good as new" bible version is ludicrous. (?sp)

wolf · 11-10-2004, 11:22 AM

That's why I have to have one.

I was raised on Douay, and personal preference is for King James.

Troubleshooter · 11-10-2004, 11:27 AM

Wasn't there a version of the Ten Commandments(tm) that was done in ebonics floating around a while back?

alphageek31337 · 11-10-2004, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Amplified Bible:

Amplified Bible:

NIV:

No where does Moses ask which God it is.

Because in these books, the bush is quick to point out that it is the god of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc. Essentially, pointing out that it is the God of the Jews.

"Moses said to God, 'So I will go to the Israelites and say, 'Your fathers' God sent me to you.' They will immediately ask me what His name is. What shall I say to them?'
'I Will Be Who I Will Be,' replied God to Moses."

Exodus 3:13-14, as translated at bible.ort.org

"So, what's your name anyway?"
"Uh.....I'm me!"

Cyber Wolf · 11-10-2004, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

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Amplified Bible:
17And Cain's wife [one of Adam's offspring] became pregnant and bore Enoch; and Cain built a [6] city and named it after his son Enoch.

Ewww! Incest!

wolf · 11-10-2004, 11:48 AM

Isn't that how Noah and his family (and all the animals) got fruitful and multiplied also? That genetic diversity thing must have gotten totally out of hand by Noah's time and had to be STOPPED.

Given that the ark can be regarded as a kind of an RV ... does that make all of mankind trailer trash?

11-09-2004, 03:38 PM	#1
SteveDallas Your Bartender Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Philly Burbs, PA Posts: 7,651	Did you think the Episcopal Church was liberal? Apparently their alleged liberalism does not extend to having druids amongst their priesthood.

11-09-2004, 04:19 PM	#3
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	You've got to ferret out those filthy Pagans wherever you find them, you know. Hell, this is the Episcopalian version of the CIA being infiltrated by Al Qaeda. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

11-10-2004, 09:50 AM	#7
alphageek31337 Enemy Combatant/Evildoer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 263	HM: If you pay attention to the Old Testament, Yahweh pretty much makes himself the one God of the Jews, then sets out to prove that he has a bigger dick than all the other Gods in the area. In Genesis, it is worth noting that Cain, having slain Abel, is cast out to the land of Nod where he takes a wife of a tribe of people not created by Yahweh. Later on, in Exodus (I believe), Moses sees the burning bush, and asks what God it actually is, because there are a bunch of them (the Jews being polytheists at the time, but having a different Canon than the enslaving Egyptians). That is, of course, if you take the whole book as rock-hard fact, rather than a series of cool stories that can teach us a lot if you focus less on the slaying of the iniquitous and such... __________________ The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself. ---Friedrich Nietzsche

11-10-2004, 10:14 AM	#8
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I know that, I probably should have phrased it like this: Isn't "you shall worship no other gods before me" pretty much universally interpreted these days as "you shall worship no other gods because they don't exist"? I.E. I don't think you could find many, if any, current monotheistic religions that would accept a polytheist as clergy, even if they acknowlege that that religion's God is "the best". __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-10-2004, 11:22 AM	#11
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	That's why I have to have one. I was raised on Douay, and personal preference is for King James. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-09-2004, 03:50 PM	#2
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Well, you have to draw the line somewhere. I can see the thinkng now... "Women priests? OK. Gay bishops? OK. Druids leading the christian services? Ummmm, nah. That's too much."

11-10-2004, 08:39 AM	#6
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Why don't evangelicals ask, "How many times did Christ get laid?" After all, it is a religious experience.

11-10-2004, 11:27 AM	#12
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Wasn't there a version of the Ten Commandments(tm) that was done in ebonics floating around a while back? __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

11-10-2004, 11:48 AM	#15
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Isn't that how Noah and his family (and all the animals) got fruitful and multiplied also? That genetic diversity thing must have gotten totally out of hand by Noah's time and had to be STOPPED. Given that the ark can be regarded as a kind of an RV ... does that make all of mankind trailer trash? __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

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