Self

TheMercenary · 07-11-2007, 10:51 PM

Is there something larger than self?

If so what is it?

If not why?

lumberjim · 07-11-2007, 11:21 PM

family is larger than self

freshnesschronic · 07-11-2007, 11:25 PM

"Me" is larger than "self".
And "you" is larger than "me".
And "we" is larger than both.

Cloud · 07-12-2007, 12:00 AM

Why would there not be something larger than self? So many things qualify.

DanaC · 07-12-2007, 05:16 AM

For me:

Family, as long as one of is still alive, the whole exists; the Labour movement, generations of people fighting and working for social justice and working-class rights; the Labour Party, which I know is deeply flawed but which still has my loyalty; a band of comrades to whom I am fiercely loyal, because we stand united against those who would attack any one of us.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-12-2007, 07:26 AM

Depends on what you are talking about.

Morals - The universal (society’s norms and laws) is higher. For example, if we put the individual (self) above the universal we sin and will continue to sin unless we remove the individual from above the universal. An example would be if our society decides that stealing is bad and we steal for individual reasons then we would have put the individual above the universal and we would have sinned against that society. So in a sense, yes, the universal is higher than the individual but once you get into post-Conventional morals it gets more complicated.

If you want to go farther and you believe in religion you can say the spiritual is above both the individual and universal. Usually what happens (in stories) is that the spiritual will take form as the individual and then it will pass above the universal. For example, the story with Abraham in the Bible. God told him to kill his only son even though killing his son was against that societies standards, he was going to still going to go through with it since the spiritual is considered higher than the universal.

DanaC summed up community living and making yourself part of bigger picture. I will expand on it by saying an ideal can be higher than self. People will sacrifice themselves for ideals, freedom for example, so that would be considered higher than self.

freshnesschronic · 07-12-2007, 12:25 PM

chug chug pooof
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh my brain just farted and died trying to read your post there piercy

skysidhe · 07-12-2007, 02:28 PM

Nature is pretty grand.

anything made made,religiosity,new age 4th way,scientology,( except for travolta),astrologers can all go to he...

Most the time people living by man made contructs are messed up I've decided.

On a simpler note. I think LJ is right. The family is bigger than self. If you've ever met anyone who late in life run from the idea of family is a big time wanker.

Cicero · 07-12-2007, 02:59 PM

Yes, believe it or not there are things larger than your subjective ego.
Or maybe you need to explain your version of self.

piercehawkeye45 · 07-12-2007, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freshnesschronic

chug chug pooof
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh my brain just farted and died trying to read your post there piercy

If you want your brain to explode try reading true philosophy...

busterb · 07-12-2007, 08:24 PM

Family is tops. One of my sons had me co-sighed for $29k and his wife just checked out. Also a friend called today. His daughter is having problems with husband. He's in that for around $35k. Oh the joys of kids. Drown the little shits.

Urbane Guerrilla · 07-12-2007, 10:28 PM

Astrologers can all go to Hereford and Hampshire? :p

Where Horoscopes Hardly Happen?

07-13-2007, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Is there something larger than self?

If so what is it?

If not why?

I think so, but it only exists in my head.

Society, empathy, the need to "do" for others, love. There are many "words" for it and many "meanings" for the "collective". It is larger than I. At times it is only one, sometimes many, others... all.
I do care, but that exists only within myself.

I can only experience what I do as myself, for now. I await the bio-chip and the ability to download my consciousness to others or multiple consciousnesses. If I live that long.
I will do so without hesitation.

Squid_Operator · 07-25-2007, 12:56 AM

There's no self. You're all part of everything.

Powder explains it quite well.

Gannet495 · 08-07-2007, 08:46 AM

Is there anything smaller than self? Compared to the universe, you're just a tiny dot on some blue orb in a system with 9, er, make that EIGHT planets. God cares about a single person, but why?

Job 7:17 What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him?
Job 7:18 And that thou shouldest visit him every morning, and try him every moment?

We're constantly tested by God.

As for what is bigger than self, - the body of Christ/the group of believers, of which Christ is the head.

07-11-2007, 10:51 PM	#1
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	Self Is there something larger than self? If so what is it? If not why? __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

07-11-2007, 11:21 PM	#2
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	family is larger than self __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

07-12-2007, 12:00 AM	#4
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	Why would there not be something larger than self? So many things qualify. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

07-12-2007, 08:24 PM	#11
busterb NSABFD Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: MS. usa Posts: 3,908	Family is tops. One of my sons had me co-sighed for $29k and his wife just checked out. Also a friend called today. His daughter is having problems with husband. He's in that for around $35k. Oh the joys of kids. Drown the little shits. __________________ I've haven't left very deep footprints in the sands of time. But, boy I've left a bunch.

07-12-2007, 10:28 PM	#12
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Astrologers can all go to Hereford and Hampshire? :p Where Horoscopes Hardly Happen? __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course.

07-11-2007, 11:25 PM	#3
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	"Me" is larger than "self". And "you" is larger than "me". And "we" is larger than both.

07-12-2007, 05:16 AM	#5
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	For me: Family, as long as one of is still alive, the whole exists; the Labour movement, generations of people fighting and working for social justice and working-class rights; the Labour Party, which I know is deeply flawed but which still has my loyalty; a band of comrades to whom I am fiercely loyal, because we stand united against those who would attack any one of us.

07-12-2007, 07:26 AM	#6
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	Depends on what you are talking about. Morals - The universal (society’s norms and laws) is higher. For example, if we put the individual (self) above the universal we sin and will continue to sin unless we remove the individual from above the universal. An example would be if our society decides that stealing is bad and we steal for individual reasons then we would have put the individual above the universal and we would have sinned against that society. So in a sense, yes, the universal is higher than the individual but once you get into post-Conventional morals it gets more complicated. If you want to go farther and you believe in religion you can say the spiritual is above both the individual and universal. Usually what happens (in stories) is that the spiritual will take form as the individual and then it will pass above the universal. For example, the story with Abraham in the Bible. God told him to kill his only son even though killing his son was against that societies standards, he was going to still going to go through with it since the spiritual is considered higher than the universal. DanaC summed up community living and making yourself part of bigger picture. I will expand on it by saying an ideal can be higher than self. People will sacrifice themselves for ideals, freedom for example, so that would be considered higher than self.

07-12-2007, 12:25 PM	#7
freshnesschronic Professor Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,555	chug chug pooof ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh my brain just farted and died trying to read your post there piercy

07-12-2007, 02:28 PM	#8
skysidhe ~~Life is either a daring adventure or nothing.~~ Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 6,828	Nature is pretty grand. anything made made,religiosity,new age 4th way,scientology,( except for travolta),astrologers can all go to he... Most the time people living by man made contructs are messed up I've decided. On a simpler note. I think LJ is right. The family is bigger than self. If you've ever met anyone who late in life run from the idea of family is a big time wanker.

07-12-2007, 02:59 PM	#9
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	Yes, believe it or not there are things larger than your subjective ego. Or maybe you need to explain your version of self.

07-25-2007, 12:56 AM	#14
Squid_Operator [Radio Operator] Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: [Hawaii/Monterey california] Posts: 43	There's no self. You're all part of everything. Powder explains it quite well.

08-07-2007, 08:46 AM	#15
Gannet495 Disciple of the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth, God's Son Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 22	Is there anything smaller than self? Compared to the universe, you're just a tiny dot on some blue orb in a system with 9, er, make that EIGHT planets. God cares about a single person, but why? Job 7:17 What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him? Job 7:18 And that thou shouldest visit him every morning, and try him every moment? We're constantly tested by God. As for what is bigger than self, - the body of Christ/the group of believers, of which Christ is the head.

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