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01-11-2015, 12:19 AM | #1 |
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Cyber Attack Causing Physical Damage
You hear occasional village idiots claiming people are getting sick from catching a virus off the internet. We also snickered over tales of a cyber attack destroying hardware... until Stuxnet. But even after that the probably of hardware damage was low enough the story teller would usually be greeted with rolled eyes and hurried goodbyes.
Now a second confirmed case of a cyber attack resulting in physical damage in a German steel mill. The (pdf in German) report says that hackers had struck an unnamed steel mill in Germany. By manipulating and disrupting control systems a blast furnace could not be properly shut down, resulting in “massive” unspecified damage. This is nothing compared to the disruption experts are predicting could be coming to power grids, water systems, transportation systems, etc. Maybe a bunker in Idaho isn't so crazy. Link
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01-11-2015, 12:35 AM | #2 |
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Meh, we'll just go to manual override. If that doesn't work, we'll initiate the self destruct sequence. If all else fails, we'll have the janitor pull the plug.
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02-09-2015, 10:13 AM | #3 | ||
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Is there a trend here ?
NY Times By AARON M. KESSLERFEB. 8, 2015 Report Sees Weak Security in Cars’ Wireless Systems Quote:
Today In Creepy Privacy Policies, Samsung’s Eavesdropping TV Quote:
Your kid in back says: "I want pizza" You say "No, Mom is at home fixing dinner" Suddenly, your car takes command, turns onto the freeway, and 10 minutes later pulls into a space in the Pizza Hut parking lot. You are surprised to see your wife crying in her car parked next to you. She sobbed: "I was putting a roast in the oven when suddenly, the stove turned off. the tv turned off, and all the lights went out, The garage door went up and my car horn started blasting away. I went out and got in the car to turn stop the horn, when the car doors locked. The seat belt wrapped itself around me, the motor started, and the car brought me here." |
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02-09-2015, 10:21 AM | #4 |
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Terrorists would love to hack into the driving system and cause every self driving car in the US to suddenly accelerate at high speed off the road.
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02-09-2015, 10:52 AM | #5 | |
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the cars I'm least worried about are the autonomously driving cars. the cars I'm most worried about are the luxe/semi-luxe models that tout all the modern WIRELESS conveniences of our internet life, built right into the car for your "pleasure" / "safety" / "convenience". The wirelessness is the part that frightens me, because these cars ALREADY do a fair amount of deciding about the control of the car, including speed control, braking control. The more dramatic decisions are ones where the car overrides the driver's choices. Quote:
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02-09-2015, 02:13 PM | #7 |
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I was not aware that you could brake an individual wheel.
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02-09-2015, 02:52 PM | #8 |
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I bet you can with electric cars that brake with generators.
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02-09-2015, 02:52 PM | #9 |
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Oh, and ABS modulators have 4 lines going in to them. Maybe the ABS modulator on a regular car can brake individually.
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02-09-2015, 10:48 PM | #10 |
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It is called stability control. Created because SUVs so routinely overturned. Individual wheels are braked so that power is redirected to another wheel - overwhelming the all wheel drive function that tries to lock all wheels to a same speed.
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02-09-2015, 10:51 PM | #11 |
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YOU can't, because you are just using the brake pedal. Silly hu-man.
The car can, or more precisely, the car's computers with input from the sensors alllll over the car *can* brake an individual wheel. And it's the exposure of this electronic control module (ECM) to interference from outside that permits this unintended consequence.
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02-10-2015, 04:07 PM | #12 |
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I quit working on cars in 1984, when the Snap-On man told me that I was going to have to spend $200.00 to get the tools to get the back plugs out of a Celebrity V6. I tried working on my Buick La Saber I changed the plugs, wires, and coil packs. And it still had a dead miss, no check engine light so no codes on the code reader at O' Reilly auto parts. I gave up and took it to the dealer, $650.00 later I had a new crank sensor, and ignition module. I hate cars. John Deere Rules!
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02-10-2015, 11:25 PM | #14 |
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02-17-2015, 04:09 AM | #15 |
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When was the last time you worked on a Deere? Even a little oops can be very expensive.
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